[Bondi77]

Looks like the manager has told him to stay in Holland and focus on his game, clearing his head and getting fit. Really hope he turns it around in the second half of the season otherwise you worry for him.

Why would Erik tell him to go to another country and tell him to get fit and focus on his game?
Erik is the manager and by all accounts is a stickler for detail so it makes sense that he would be the one that would be overseeing that.
All smoke and mirrors by the club here and will be interesting to see the outcome.

 

[crossy1686]

Why would Erik tell him to go to another country and tell him to get fit and focus on his game?
Erik is the manager and by all accounts is a stickler for detail so it makes sense that he would be the one that would be overseeing that.
All smoke and mirrors by the club here and will be interesting to see the outcome.

Because maybe you missed it but Sancho is in Holland, training with some personal coaches that Ten Hag told him to work with because he know's them well?

 

[MadMike]

I have yet to see this mythical talent on display even for just a single game. Not once. It's been 18 months.

Sancho has shown nothing in his 18 months here, but it's not his fault, it's United's fault for some reason

Lads, your calendars are off. He’s been here 14 months, not 18. And for the 11 first months of that, everyone was shit, bar Ronaldo.

Rashford was so bad, 85% of the people were saying we shouldn’t renew and should try to sell instead (thread still up). Martial was off on a failed loan to Sevilla and written off. Maguire turned from pillar of our defence the year before, to a running joke. De Gea was past it, with multiple threads saying he should be our top priority to replace. Bruno’s numbers plummeted so hard people were saying that he’s holding us back and we can’t win a title with him in the team.

That was the first 11 months of Sancho’s United career, until ten Hag came. An utter shambles where even our most established and mature players had horrendous seasons. Since then, we had just 3 months of football till the break for the WC. Maybe a bit of perspective and more time is needed for a proper assessment eh?

 

[Chief123]

You never regain stamina that much in football, a little bit yes but he isn’t coming back some Mane like machine, he’ll be gone in a year.

What on earth are you on about? You do realise you can improve stamina right?

 

[Skills]

What on earth are you on about? You do realise you can improve stamina right?

cardiovascular fitness is the easiest thing to improve any sport

 

[Chief123]

cardiovascular fitness is the easiest thing to improve any sport

We might as well get rid of fitness coaches. In fact, we don’t need any coaches. You simply can’t improve as a player. You are what you are. If you’re not scoring goals from the moment you’re born, you’re not going to make it.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Not surprising, but too many writing him off way too quickly

Yes, overall he's well below where he should be

But he's capable of very quickly becoming undroppable - And I want to see that Sancho, Antony & Rashford front 3 settle together. They were brilliant in convincing wins over Arsenal and Spurs but we haven't had chance to see it much since.

 

[yumtum]

It's worrying that a professional footballer at 22 needs to improve his fitness, obviously fitness levels can be improved, to suggest otherwise would be stupid, but the fact a pro footballer needs to be taken away from first team training to focus on it seems shocking to me - what exactly has he/his coaches been doing for the past decade?

 

[crossy1686]

It's worrying that a professional footballer at 22 needs to improve his fitness, obviously fitness levels can be improved, to suggest otherwise would be stupid, but the fact a pro footballer needs to be taken away from first team training to focus on it seems shocking to me - what exactly has he/his coaches been doing for the past decade?

Some players just simply don't do a lot of running and can get away with that in certain teams, even at elite level. Ten Hag on the other hand is super demanding of his players and they work ethic they need to be successful within his team, so it's no surprise some of the lads don't meet the necessary fitness requirements that he's demanding of them.

 

[Bondi77]

Because maybe you missed it but Sancho is in Holland, training with some personal coaches that Ten Hag told him to work with because he know's them well?

Better than he knows himself?

 

[TheReligion]

Why would Erik tell him to go to another country and tell him to get fit and focus on his game?
Erik is the manager and by all accounts is a stickler for detail so it makes sense that he would be the one that would be overseeing that.
All smoke and mirrors by the club here and will be interesting to see the outcome.

Because this is a unique season and the opportunity to allow that to happen has arose. Not only that but it’s widely reported Sancho is having some personal issues so there’s more to it than that physical fitness.

No smoke and mirrors. Just good emotional intelligence and management.

 

[Bondi77]

Because this is a unique season and the opportunity to allow that to happen has arose. Not only that but it’s widely reported Sancho is having some personal issues so there’s more to it than that physical fitness.

No smoke and mirrors. Just good emotional intelligence and management.

Hope it works out for him then and he comes back fitter and stronger in mind and body.

 

[justsomebloke]

We just don't know, do we. What we're hearing is unusual. Maybe what we're being told is the whole story, maybe it isn't. File as a question mark, and not really much to go on for purposes of discussion.

 

[yumtum]

Some players just simply don't do a lot of running and can get away with that in certain teams, even at elite level. Ten Hag on the other hand is super demanding of his players and they work ethic they need to be successful within his team, so it's no surprise some of the lads don't meet the necessary fitness requirements that he's demanding of them.

Considering Sancho was at City and Dortmund from 16yo I find that odd considering both teams are pressing teams, he'll never be a Kante of course, but if this separate camp of his is down to fitness, I would find that to be due to lack of professionalism on his part.

Let's hope he manages to refocus as we could use his Dortmund form for the second half of the season.

 

[Salwan]

it does not have to be only about stamina and endurance. he might be on a workout program to rebuild his body or work on some muscle imbalances and deficiencies.
which is hard enough (next to impossible) to do in around a month, even without him training with the team several times a week and playing friendly games.

 

[saivet]

it does not have to be only about stamina and endurance. he might be on a workout program to rebuild his body or work on some muscle imbalances and deficiencies.
which is hard enough (next to impossible) to do in around a month, even without him training with the team several times a week and playing friendly games.

We also had no details about his illness which had him out for a while. Some have made speculations that he wasn't ill but we really don't have a clue.

We'll see one way or the other after the WC.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Lads, your calendars are off. He’s been here 14 months, not 18. And for the 11 first months of that, everyone was shit, bar Ronaldo.

Rashford was so bad, 85% of the people were saying we shouldn’t renew and should try to sell instead (thread still up). Martial was off on a failed loan to Sevilla and written off. Maguire turned from pillar of our defence the year before, to a running joke. De Gea was past it, with multiple threads saying he should be our top priority to replace. Bruno’s numbers plummeted so hard people were saying that he’s holding us back and we can’t win a title with him in the team.

That was the first 11 months of Sancho’s United career, until ten Hag came. An utter shambles where even our most established and mature players had horrendous seasons. Since then, we had just 3 months of football till the break for the WC. Maybe a bit of perspective and more time is needed for a proper assessment eh?

I agree with the bolded part impacting Sancho, however it still does not absolve Sancho, as an elite pro, Sancho has to take responsibility for his own performance levels.

My point is even twhen he team was collectively shit, it still doesn't absolve the individual, that applies to all players of last season.

With Ten Hag's arrival, everyone gets a chance, and so far this season Sancho has not shown his best consistently, my hope is that with him not being in the WC, and having free time to go on a special training program recommended by Ten Hag, he would return in a better shape mentally and physically, and ready to hit the ground running.

 

[crossy1686]

Better than he knows himself?

Well, yes? Whatever they specialise in, Ten Hag thinks they’re the best people he knows to get Sancho up to speed. I doubt Ten Hag has a spare couple of weeks to do 1-1 with Sancho in training, he’s running a football club and has other players to be overseeing also.

 

[crossy1686]

Considering Sancho was at City and Dortmund from 16yo I find that odd considering both teams are pressing teams, he'll never be a Kante of course, but if this separate camp of his is down to fitness, I would find that to be due to lack of professionalism on his part.

Let's hope he manages to refocus as we could use his Dortmund form for the second half of the season.

Has he ever been a work horse though? I always thought he looked a bit on the ‘big’ side for a footballer and I never saw him doing that much running at Dortmund. Not saying he’s not in good shape, I just don’t think he’s fighting fit and hasn’t been for a while.

 

[Salwan]

yup. we have basically no idea, so we are just guessing.

whatever it is (stength and conditioning, on-field training, mental training), an individual training camp will hopefully show in his performances in the spring.
and then he can build on that over the summer.

 

[yumtum]

Has he ever been a work horse though? I always thought he looked a bit on the ‘big’ side for a footballer and I never saw him doing that much running at Dortmund. Not saying he’s not in good shape, I just don’t think he’s fighting fit and hasn’t been for a while.

Then it points to a major problem doesn't it? If you're bing paid what he is, failing to stay in shape during the season is unforgivable.

I hope he sorts his issues out, but sometimes lack of professionalism isn't a mental health concern and for him to be in his 5th(?) Year as a professional if he can't stay in shape it doesn't bode well for his future here.

 

[TheReligion]

Then it points to a major problem doesn't it? If you're bing paid what he is, failing to stay in shape during the season is unforgivable.

I hope he sorts his issues out, but sometimes lack of professionalism isn't a mental health concern and for him to be in his 5th(?) Year as a professional if he can't stay in shape it doesn't bode well for his future here.

and sometimes it is..

 

[The Mitcher]

Lads, your calendars are off. He’s been here 14 months, not 18. And for the 11 first months of that, everyone was shit, bar Ronaldo.

Rashford was so bad, 85% of the people were saying we shouldn’t renew and should try to sell instead (thread still up). Martial was off on a failed loan to Sevilla and written off. Maguire turned from pillar of our defence the year before, to a running joke. De Gea was past it, with multiple threads saying he should be our top priority to replace. Bruno’s numbers plummeted so hard people were saying that he’s holding us back and we can’t win a title with him in the team.

That was the first 11 months of Sancho’s United career, until ten Hag came. An utter shambles where even our most established and mature players had horrendous seasons. Since then, we had just 3 months of football till the break for the WC. Maybe a bit of perspective and more time is needed for a proper assessment eh?

Just because other players are shit doesn't absolve Sancho of anything.

 

[Posh Red]

Just because other players are shit doesn't absolve Sancho of anything.

It goes some way to explaining why a new signing, who was young and new to the league, might struggle to adapt quickly, though.

 

[yumtum]

and sometimes it is..

Exactly, jumping to conclusions either way is foolish.

 

[Jam]

Surprised how many are writing him off.

The lad clearly has class, and is suited to progressive footballing side as well. I’ve gotten frustrated with some of performances like most of you but I’m still willing to persevere with him and not make a rash decision.

Even post-World Cup I’m not expecting an immediate turn around. It’s going to be a slow burn to get him improving again or showing previous form. Reintegrate him into the side, give him minutes and opportunities where possible and keep on putting the work in during training.

Don’t make this to the detriment of the overall team, but at the same time use available opportunities to play him into form. There’s a world class player in there if he can get his mental state right, confidence and fitness back. He has shown glimpses of his ability with us.

 

[MadMike]

Just because other players are shit doesn't absolve Sancho of anything.

Those players aren’t shit, Mitch. Fernandes, Rashford and De Gea are like our best players this season and were our best players the season before last.

The whole point is that when the club is having such a terrible season that it changes manager 3 times in the space of 12 months, it goes from 2nd to 6th and even its established stars are playing shit…. then maybe expecting the 21yo transfer from abroad to find form in this mess, is expecting too much.

 

[holdsteady]

Quotes coming out from Ten Hag that he won't be back next week and will not return until he is physically and mentally ready to play.

Bit worrying

 

[TheReligion]

Quotes coming out from Ten Hag that he won't be back next week and will not return until he is physically and mentally ready to play.

Bit worrying

Id say it’s quite positive that Ten Hag has noticed this and stepped in to help him.

Exactly what Sancho will have been crying out for.

Obviously a lot of effort has been put in to invest in Sancho by settling this up for him so it’s only right we bring him back in when he’s ready and more importantly when Ten Hag thinks he’s ready.

Obviously lots going on.

 

[Infestissumam]

I have full confidence in ten Hag when it comes to handling this. I wouldn't be surprised if Sancho came back tearing it up after all of this.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Probably best to be taken out of the firing line if he is struggling mentally. We have Rashford and Garnacho for the left side anyway for the foreseeable so let him sort his issues out and hopefully he can be available from Jan/Feb onwards.
At the moment he is well behind Rashford so maybe he can be back up for Antony on the other wing.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

There is a thread on these recent quotes in the United forum now.

 

[MayosNoun]

Sounds like he’s out of shape going by comments made.

 

[Son]

Can we talk about the mental health of our attackers in the last few years.

Greenwood (idiot and evil), Rashford (nearly lost), Sancho (lost seemingly), martial (nearly lost), Cavani (disrespected and left), Ronaldo (went crazy), Lingard (mental health)

Our full attacking line almost just got up and left our club due to mental illness reasons and life problems.

There has been a huge problem at our club going by that. It’s not normal at all.

Madrid players for example under pressure seem to be able to enjoy their football and get on with it. Ours don’t seem capabale so says something about the culture at our club maybe.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Can we talk about the mental health of our attackers in the last few years.

Greenwood (idiot and evil), Rashford (nearly lost), Sancho (lost seemingly), martial (nearly lost), Cavani (disrespected and left), Ronaldo (went crazy), Lingard (mental health)

Our full attacking line almost just got up and left our club due to mental illness reasons and life problems.

There has been a huge problem at our club going by that. It’s not normal at all.

Madrid players for example under pressure seem to be able to enjoy their football and get on with it. Ours don’t seem capabale so says something about the culture at our club maybe.

To brighten the mood by the state of demanufacture team went through last year, I got two words in this case. Christian Eriksen.

Lad went though cardiac near death experience, still on his feet, still scoring, creating for the team and pushing United to top of the table, anyway he can while being modest to the core.

Why not focus on that from time to time.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Madrid players for example under pressure seem to be able to enjoy their football and get on with it. Ours don’t seem capabale so says something about the culture at our club maybe.

Really can't compare us to Madrid right now.

Yes they have pressure, but they're winning league titles and CL titles regularly.

We have the pressure but also facing losing, being humbled by lower teams like Brentford etc. Lets not forget Sancho was also racially abused at the Euros by idiotic people.

I can quite safely say our players are way more abused by our fanbase than anything Real Madrid players would have received recently. Only Bale would come close but he doesn't really care.

 

[youmeletsfly]

Really can't compare us to Madrid right now.

Yes they have pressure, but they're winning league titles and CL titles regularly.

We have the pressure but also facing losing, being humbled by lower teams like Brentford etc. Lets not forget Sancho was also racially abused at the Euros by idiotic people.

I can quite safely say our players are way more abused by our fanbase than anything Real Madrid players would have received recently. Only Bale would come close but he doesn't really care.

Don't think that is true mate. Madrid players get a lot more shit that people think, it's quite laughable at times how bad it is.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Don't think that is true mate. Madrid players get a lot more shit that people think, it's quite laughable at times how bad it is.

Difference is they can laugh it off as it's usually 1 bad result every couple of months.

United players can go through a run of bad performances and get dog pilled on by tv, radio, our fans, oppo fans - you name it.

Winning regularly no doubt helps Madrid players feel better. Rashford himself said the United camp felt dreadful and it effected him.

 

[Dve]

Can we talk about the mental health of our attackers in the last few years.

Greenwood (idiot and evil), Rashford (nearly lost), Sancho (lost seemingly), martial (nearly lost), Cavani (disrespected and left), Ronaldo (went crazy), Lingard (mental health)

Our full attacking line almost just got up and left our club due to mental illness reasons and life problems.

There has been a huge problem at our club going by that. It’s not normal at all.

Madrid players for example under pressure seem to be able to enjoy their football and get on with it. Ours don’t seem capabale so says something about the culture at our club maybe.

As far as I know, of all the players you are mentioning, only Lingard has had any reported problems with mental health.

 

[dubplate warrior]

I do wonder whether Hakimi made Sancho look better than he actually he is.