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Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Yep. Everyone does it and you do have to be savvy about it. However there is no need to come out and say it, especially when everyone is talking about Utd getting too manyby pens.
Yeah keep you away from football because we know liverpool fans know nothing about football anyway XD
My contributions to the Other Sports section might make up for my crappy football views, if it's any consolation
feck, the great football conspiracy is now unravelled.
And people said Rashford could do no wrong.
The perfect game for us to improve our Goal Difference
I want to see a list of banned poo fans if it's possible because it seems like they're everywhere, before or after the cull.
Mate don't sweat it. Slippy Me and his band of merry twats featuring the towering twin talents - Le Tallec and Sinama Pongolle - would have still found a way to bottle it every season.
Andy Robertson is your dad and you should be ashamed of it.
Ha ha. It was only a matter of time before the swivel eyed scousers got in on Jurgen.Yeah cause we’ve been competing for loads of titles in the past 5 years
It's a talk he had with a journalist from the Daily Mail that's doing the rounds this morning. And it is indeed a Daily Mail "special" since right after the attention-seeking headline of "shock-horror, SAF controlled the referees admits Clattenburg", the very first quote from him is that Klopp sounds like a hypocrite, the second one is that Salah and Mane are among the worst when it comes to fooling the officials and the third one is that the German's claim regarding United's penalties is a blatant attempt to influence the referees. In the end he even says that any peculiar aura around United under Ferguson doesn't exist any more.
Here is the link, in case someone wants to read it: https://www.football365.com/news/clattenburg-admits-to-referee-bias-towards-man-utd
Clattenburg is a moron. The whole SAF intimidation thing is overplayed. We got shafted numerous times at the Bridge especially by Atkinson.
Here's what I think
Lot of people have said decisions have gone in Livepool's favour these last 2 years. No coincidence it happens to the best teams. See the Barcelona claims that used to be made when they were dominant.
Here's what I think
- Refs feel pressure - but it's usually the home crowd they succumb to. We've ourselves had to face many situations where the ref hasn't been brave enough to give decisions agisnt the home team.
- The bigger teams get more decisions in their favour because they ask more questions of the ref due to playing more on the front foot
Lot of people have said decisions have gone in Livepool's favour these last 2 years. No coincidence it happens to the best teams. See the Barcelona claims that used to be made when they were dominant.
Paul Scholes had 4. Ryan Giggs had 2. Both in careers of 20 years or more. Were they.. not world class then, if that's a criteria?
Oh and let's not forget the RedCafe special "needs to do it for more than one year".
I seriously have no idea what's gotten into you of late, you used to be really reasoned and by far the most enjoyable Liverpool fan to discuss with. Saying Utd has been the best team so far this season is a perfectly valid season as of matchday 17, and certainly doesn't warrant you brushing someone's post suggesting this aside with a "fecking hell".
And yes Lyon are currently the best team in the French league. PSG have been underwhelming this season, with many systemic issues. Might change with Poch, but not there yet.
People are seriously arguing whether Bruno is world class?
Hadn't even seen this post before my previous response. Really, really weird.
Robin is, seemingly.
I'm not. I conceded that you can consider Bruno world class the same day that I made the post where I said I didn't think Utd had any real world class players.
People are constantly brushing my own opinions off as "bla bla bla", "rubbish", "stick to the darts" and whanot, could easily give you a few examples from this thread alone - if I disagree with someone, I'm gonna make that clear as well.
And I disagree with Lyon just like how I disagree about United. PSG is still the best team in France even though they haven't played up to their usual standards this season. Juventus is still the best team in Italy even though they're not first right now. I just don't think United is the best team in England right now, even though you are first. You can just accept that opinion or you can all keep quoting me even though there's no way I'm gonna give in. It's an opinion.
Arguably best player in the league since Feb.
Liverpool and oppo fans, in fact I saw one scouser saying that Fernandes is basically no better than Shelvey, and Wijnaldum is a more complete midfielder...
I am going to guess United were not the best team throughout the 2000s too, that was generally the perceived scouse logic anyway. I don't think anyone here thinks we are a great team or even the best team, ffs, look at who our fans think will win the league, majority of us reckon City
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Isn't that a reasonable debate? I'll respond to anyone who can muster the decency to ask a decent question rather than immediately ridicule me, and defend my opinion on the matter. Those two posts made my opinion clear more than enough, and that was on Wednesday. But no no, let's keep banging the same drum over and over again, tagging me if he wins an award on Friday. Honestly, which decent response do you actually expect from me to such a post?
It's baffling alright.
Its a defence mechanism. Theres people who cant say we are the best team in England at the minute so make these over arching statements to show we arent that good in a real sense.
Since we have gone top Im seeing a lot of pieces talking about how this league winner isnt a real winner, the quality is shit because of covid etc.
Its heartwarming.
fair i hadn't seen those, hence i didn't comment on your view specifically
stop posting in a Man Utd forum.
Good, I hope they do say that, might encourage our players even more...
Mane wouldn't make into a world XI either if that's the criteria. No chance he gets in ahead of someone like Neymar. Salah is never getting into any world 11 even in top form given there's a fellow by the name of Messi who likes to cut in from the right.
world class is not just the best 11. If that’s the case you can only ever have one world class keeper at a time?
Both wouldn't, no. Never said they would, I think. At Liverpool, Alisson has a case, Robertson too (it's him or Davies), TAA too although as a pure defender he's miles off and he wouldn't shine as much as he did at Liverpool in another system (can't immediately think of another RB though), and Van Dijk would be a lock. That's probably it.
I said "you can consider him world class, but he wouldn't make my World XI" or something along those lines. Makes it sound like it's a prerequisite to be considered world class but it isn't, otherwise you'd indeed have only 11 world class players. It was just something that crossed my mind.
I've never heard that one before, although it makes sense.
I know. I was just going by the point about Bruno not making it into a world XI.
Justice for Robin.
VVD is the only clear cut one. For Allison you have Ter Stegen, Neuer, Oblak etc also performing heroics. As you say right between Davies and Robertson for LB and TAA is a great crosser but I think he'd struggle in many a team due to his weak defending.
But either way, I think you have a much better team than ours, particularly as a collective and we have some way to get there. Again, agree that this United team is not a special /top one. At the same time as a supporter one hopes that we could at the start of something although I cant help but feel skeptical as we often have just been getting results and churning out wins rather than playing excellent football.
You could certainly make a case for Robertson making a world xi. Whether he'd get in ahead of Alba, Davies or even Sandro is up for debate, but there isn't a great deal between them either way.
TAA has been awful this season, miles from the standards he set himself a year or so back.
World class or world 11?
Top 11 are always debatable and with prejudice. Best is to rate a player as world class i.e. can get into some of the best teams in the world. If that is so then united have bruno, rashford, pogba, maguire, ddg (may be not prev season. Back to his best again this season though).
Btw, Bruno IMHO is in world 11.
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