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So much nonsense, give it a rest. When people on here are having to defend Liverpool and Klopp you know you've gone off the deep end. Rafa and Houllier better than Klopp
As for your points:-1. They are definitely not out of the top 4 race, but need to start winning soon as anything above 9 pts becomes very difficult to overturn.
2. VVD is not terribly poor, he's just not what he once was.
3. They have Fabinho, without seeing him much this season he's definitely still a top DM.
4. Klopp is an excellent manager, let's be real.
The title is gone for them but under Klopp they have in past put together a 10-15 game win streak. If they do anything like that then I expect them to be in the top 4. I dislike them and their fans as much as anyone but let's at least be honest.
Confidence and belief are absolutely huge at this level. It's what Arsenal this year as opposed to in the past. Missing out as they did last season definitely took it's toll but I expect that once they get a couple of good performances in they will go on a run and the doomsday scenario you describe will (sadly) be wide of the reality.
Sooo are we saying that winning 3 trophies in one season isn't good??So much nonsense, give it a rest. When people on here are having to defend Liverpool and Klopp you know you've gone off the deep end. Rafa and Houllier better than Klopp
I'm pretty sure that Liverpool were 22 points clear with 9 games to play, before football stopped due to Covid. Regardless of the interruption and changes it brought about, Liverpool were always winning that title. To diminish it is just extremely childish.Their *title* was in a period where people were thinking about anything but football, about just waking up and being alive, and having family members not be dead especially older ones, so yeah, their *title* does have to be put to one side, as it isn't a proper league win, not like the other league titles that have been won by other clubs.
Rafa achieved more and so did Houllier, no doubt about that, Houllier won three trophies in one season!
What is the most that Klopp has won in a season?? 1 isn't it?? Hardly that impressive a feat.
Klopp is just soooo overhyped, his time at Dortmund was far more impressive than his time at Liverpool.
He has spent the GDP of a country to what, to win one cup under normal circumstances??
Sorry, but that isn't good enough to be put alongside Rafa or Houllier.
This season they have run out of steam, it was boom or bust, last season, and thankfully it was bust, and now they are paying the price for overpaying on Salah's contract (why on earth did they not sell hom when they had the chance??) and undercutting on Mane's contract, and have paid out far too much money on Darwin.
Their style has changed to accommodate Darwin, and it has backfired hugely on them.
No chance, zero, nada, zip, that they push for a top 4 place this season, as the sides above them, are just far superior to them.
Klopp has earnt a free pass, certainly for this season at least and I'm sure their board and fans will see it that way. Some people in football have short memories. The only way I see him leaving in the next couple of years is if he decides it's time for a break from football, which wouldn't be hugely surprising and he certainly cuts the figure of a man who is feeling the strain at present.
I'm pretty sure that Liverpool were 22 points clear with 9 games to play, before football stopped due to Covid. Regardless of the interruption and changes it brought about, Liverpool were always winning that title. To diminish it is just extremely childish.
Klopp has done a far better job than Benitez or Houllier. To claim otherwise, is simply embarrassing. Neither of the latter two were ever close to turning Liverpool into a side who could consistently challenge for the title over a prolonged period. As for Klopp being overhyped, he is a top class manager. In my view, not as good as Pep, however he is still right up there in the top 2 or 3 in the world. This shouldn't need to be said.
Yes, they aren't in a good place right now and you can question recent decisions they have made regarding recruitment and renewals. However, as of now they are still firmly in the race for top 4. More than any of the other contenders for 4th, they have proven in the past that they can go on a run of winning 10-15 games in a row. It may or may not happen this time, but it's still far too early and they are still within reach. Also, as bad as they are at the moment, I wouldn't say that us, Spurs or Chelsea look "far superior to them". A Chelsea side who have recently sacked their manager.
It's not specific to Liverpool. Hamann is one of the worst pundits you can find and he likes to stir things up at any club. Guarantees that he gets attention, no matter how stupid his take might be.Hamann always comes across as quite negative/realistic regarding Liverpool. It is a welcomed change from what we often hear from their ex players. I can imagine he must be pretty unpopular with their fans.
Ah, I see.It's not specific to Liverpool. Hamann is one of the worst pundits you can find and he likes to stir things up at any club. Guarantees that he gets attention, no matter how stupid his take might be.
I've been thinking this since the weekend. It's a look some will be familiar with but don't feel comfortable speculating on it out of respect.Is Klopp ill? He looks gaunt and a bit yellow in his post match interviews and seems to have lost a bit of weight as well.
That is what Sir Alex did (pre Glazers), it is just sensible policy.Fatal error of not refreshing the team over a good number of years and sticking with them, you can't expect the same players to keep pushing like they have been year in year out especially when there rewards are minimal/nothing because the opposition is machine like and no matter how great you are they are still one step ahead.
Then they bring in the best form goalscorer on the planet to improve even more the liverpool players will be sat thinking what do we have to possibly do to beat these guys, i'm sure even pep said himself the most important aspect to staying on top is refreshing the team keeping the hunger.
You've got to be kidding? He scored 31 goals last season.That is what Sir Alex did (pre Glazers), it is just sensible policy.
Liverpool hold onto players for far too long, why on earth is Salah still there for example?
They should have sold him when he had maximum value, but they didn't, and they are now suffering by holding onto him.
Please as I have said before, point out which parts are "hyperbolic" or "over the top"??You've got to be kidding? He scored 31 goals last season.
Selling last summer would have been a rogue shout, especially when his contract was running out and 'maximum value' would not have been attainable. No offence but most of your posts on this thread are a tad hyperbolic in my opinion.
Houllier and Benitez being a bigger success than Klopp.Please as I have said before, point out which parts are "hyperbolic" or "over the top"??
They are 4 points off a relegation zone place, so that shows that they are not exactly in good form or doing well.
Not selling Salah when he was at maximum sale value and holding onto him for too long was a huge error.
He is looking like a shadow of the player he once was, but now he has a huge contract thst no other club will be looking to get close to matching, nevermind looking to increase, so they are very much stuck with him.
Winning 3 trophies in a single season, is better than winning one, especially if that one is win under unbelievably tragic and strange circumstances.Houllier and Benitez being a bigger success than Klopp.
Them not having a DM when they have Fabinho.
VVD being a "terribly poor defender".
That they have "no redeemable qualities in their side".
That they should have sold Salah - btw when was Salah at maximum sale value? Definitely not last summer with 1 yr on his contract so the year before? He had a pretty good season last time out.
This sort of shite deserves to be quoted and laughed at on RAWK. How you genuinely believe this is so bizarre.Winning 3 trophies in a single season, is better than winning one, especially if that one is win under unbelievably tragic and strange circumstances.
So Houllier certainly was a bigger/better/more successful manager for Liverpool than Klopp has been.
Rafa also won the Champions League with Liverpool, and against a much tougher side, so Rafa definitely deserves to be rated/thought of far more highly than Klopp as a respective Liverpool manager.
Fabinho isn't all that good as a DM, if he was, then please do explain how they have conceded the goals that they have this season, same goes for van Dijk, please point to me when he has had a good game, or even back to back good games this season??
Which players are or have redeemable qualities, of you disagree with what I have said in or with that particular part??
When Real Madrid were interested in buying Salah was the best time to have sold him, now who is likely to want to sign him?
Him and his new contract are a major issue for Liverpool, as they are not going to be able to offload him or get rid of that contract any time soon.
After wining the PL, the team needed refreshing. They have had 5 good months since they won the title. That has papered over the cracks big time. It was Mane who carried the team in the latter part of last season and he was the one they got rid of.Fatal error of not refreshing the team over a good number of years and sticking with them, you can't expect the same players to keep pushing like they have been year in year out especially when there rewards are minimal/nothing because the opposition is machine like and no matter how great you are they are still one step ahead.
Then they bring in the best form goalscorer on the planet to improve even more the liverpool players will be sat thinking what do we have to possibly do to beat these guys, i'm sure even pep said himself the most important aspect to staying on top is refreshing the team keeping the hunger.
Can't be worse than Danny Murphy surelyHamman is one of the worst of our ex-players. Think of the worst of your ex-players that talk about Utd. That's Didi for us.
Gary Neville?Hamman is one of the worst of our ex-players. Think of the worst of your ex-players that talk about Utd. That's Didi for us.
Murphy is just generally crap but he's far from our worst. Didi is a clear mile ahead of him.Can't be worse than Danny Murphy surely
Huh??This sort of shite deserves to be quoted and laughed at on RAWK. How you genuinely believe this is so bizarre.
Most of what you're writing in this thread is hyperbolic nonsense but this one takes the cake.Houiller won three trophies in one season, that was and still remains a hugely successful season for them, or indeed any club.
Klopp, unless I am also mistaken here, has only won one trophy tops in a season with Liverpool, so not sure how only winning one trophy in a season is better than winning three in a season.....
Seriously, give it up. Houllier is not a bigger manager for Liverpool than Klopp.Huh??
The job that Houllier did there was quite remarkable to be fair to him, he definitely goes under the radar a lot when talking about successful managers from years gone by.
Winning three trophies in one season is a huge achievement, no matter how you look or view it.
Look at how much money City have thrown at their project, and I think they have only done it once I think, and even then, Liverpool's under Houllier included a European trophy (in an unbelievably entertaining game against Alaves).
So why is there this seeming desire to downplay Houllier especially and what he achieved there??
Looks like it to me as well. Couldn't shake the feeling that something wasn't right with him health wise. Hope he's okay.Is Klopp ill? He looks gaunt and a bit yellow in his post match interviews and seems to have lost a bit of weight as well.
So why is there this seeming desire to downplay Klopp especially and what he achieve there??Huh??
The job that Houllier did there was quite remarkable to be fair to him, he definitely goes under the radar a lot when talking about successful managers from years gone by.
Winning three trophies in one season is a huge achievement, no matter how you look or view it.
Look at how much money City have thrown at their project, and I think they have only done it once I think, and even then, Liverpool's under Houllier included a European trophy (in an unbelievably entertaining game against Alaves).
So why is there this seeming desire to downplay Houllier especially and what he achieved there??
Houllier never won the PL/CL though, and Klopp won more than one trophy last season alone..Winning 3 trophies in a single season, is better than winning one, especially if that one is win under unbelievably tragic and strange circumstances.
So Houllier certainly was a bigger/better/more successful manager for Liverpool than Klopp has been.
Rafa also won the Champions League with Liverpool, and against a much tougher side, so Rafa definitely deserves to be rated/thought of far more highly than Klopp as a respective Liverpool manager.
Fabinho isn't all that good as a DM, if he was, then please do explain how they have conceded the goals that they have this season, same goes for van Dijk, please point to me when he has had a good game, or even back to back good games this season??
Which players are or have redeemable qualities, of you disagree with what I have said in or with that particular part??
When Real Madrid were interested in buying Salah was the best time to have sold him, now who is likely to want to sign him?
Him and his new contract are a major issue for Liverpool, as they are not going to be able to offload him or get rid of that contract any time soon.
He is right in that there are problems and probably some have problems with the manager.He is right in what he is saying though.
Well, there are few. You only got Didi? You lucky buggers.Hamman is one of the worst of our ex-players. Think of the worst of your ex-players that talk about Utd. That's Didi for us.
He got 10 yrs older in last couple of weeks.. Yes, seems like he lost weight, don't think he is ill, (hope not) just this season, performances, results, pressure...got to him.Is Klopp ill? He looks gaunt and a bit yellow in his post match interviews and seems to have lost a bit of weight as well.
Steve Gerrard Gerrard!!!!!and then they bring in Phil Thompson as caretaker.