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If he had the introverted and measured personality of say Puell the debate about his prospects would be far more negative.
How old is he again?Klopp:
edit. In response to Carragher suggesting that Van Dijk needs to lose some weight.
I think it does. To win the league/FA cup requires consistency.Top 4 or being a wealthy club has no connection to the ability to win the odd league cup or FA Cup though.
Hanuman?Isn't there a really unpopular caracter in hinduisim with the same name as him? I remember learning about him at school maybe 20 years ago. We were told that when his name was about to come up in hindu cultures, listeners would start making noises to kill the sound of his name. One can imagine it's a custome they'll adopt over at RAWK.
Hahaha. If you're referring to Hanuman, rest assured, people treat him like a Super-Hero figure, and not at all something that they'd like to kill. In fact, it is believed that that the deity still wanders the earth since there is no record of his demise in the scriptures. (As per my understanding)Isn't there a really unpopular caracter in hinduisim with the same name as him? I remember learning about him at school maybe 20 years ago. We were told that when his name was about to come up in hindu cultures, listeners would start making noises to kill the sound of his name. One can imagine it's a custome they'll adopt over at RAWK.
Hanuman?
Yes, that's the one! It's such a distant memory. But I'm certain our teacher told us something along those linesHahaha. If you're referring to Hanuman, rest assured, people treat him like a Super-Hero figure, and not at all something that they'd like to kill. In fact, it is believed that that the deity still wanders the earth since there is no record of his demise in the scriptures. (As per my understanding)
I think you may be mixing up Hanuman and Haman in the Jewish tradition:Yes, that's the one! It's such a distant memory. But I'm certain our teacher told us something along those lines
Thank you, now I can sleep again! Been trying to figure out this for the last hour now. As this is my last post of the day, I won't be derailing this thread any further. Carry on.I think you may be mixing up Hanuman and Haman in the Jewish tradition.
You won't get very far on RAWK posting like that.What a load of garbage.
Its as if people think a couple years ago we were some elite club winning titles year after year and now Klopps come in and hasn't delivered. Everyone laughs at Arsenal for just getting 4th every year... well we can't even do that! So how bad does that make us look?
Our league finishes have been abysmal barring that one season under Brendan. How can you go from finishing 6th 7th 8th to "Yeah we should be winning trophies, Klopps not delivering" Just because 'we're Liverpool' and it should be our right to be winning trophies? Lay off!
Taking history and stature out of the equation we are a midtable club looking to break into the top four. It's sad, but its true. You cant say "Oh yeah but X many years ago we were dominating, so we should be dominating now."
What Klopp has done, in respect to our recent campaigns (Which is all I'm interested in), is brilliant. Two cup finals in his first season was incredible, I don't even know if any of our players had even been in cup final before that. Also, the fact that no Liverpool fan was even expecting us to get to two cup finals tells you everything.
The current target for us should be to establish ourselves as a top four club. When people predict the top four before the season begins we need Liverpool to be mentioned just like Manchester City are. At the moment we aren't. We're a "maybe". That has to change before we even start to think about trophies.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts.I can't decide if it's a bit unfair or true. It's both I think.
They should be challenging for cups at least, but he also has them playing better football (in attack at least).
Good post. We were literally a 6/7th placed club before Klopp, barring one season. Some seem to completely forget about that.What a load of garbage.
Its as if people think a couple years ago we were some elite club winning titles year after year and now Klopps come in and hasn't delivered. Everyone laughs at Arsenal for just getting 4th every year... well we can't even do that! So how bad does that make us look?
Our league finishes have been abysmal barring that one season under Brendan. How can you go from finishing 6th 7th 8th to "Yeah we should be winning trophies, Klopps not delivering" Just because 'we're Liverpool' and it should be our right to be winning trophies? Lay off!
Taking history and stature out of the equation we are a midtable club looking to break into the top four. It's sad, but its true. You cant say "Oh yeah but X many years ago we were dominating, so we should be dominating now."
What Klopp has done, in respect to our recent campaigns (Which is all I'm interested in), is brilliant. Two cup finals in his first season was incredible, I don't even know if any of our players had even been in cup final before that. Also, the fact that no Liverpool fan was even expecting us to get to two cup finals tells you everything.
The current target for us should be to establish ourselves as a top four club. When people predict the top four before the season begins we need Liverpool to be mentioned just like Manchester City are. At the moment we aren't. We're a "maybe". That has to change before we even start to think about trophies.
Good post. I do think we need to win something at some point for him to be considered successful, but Klopp has improved our league performances from where we’d mostly been prior to his arrival.What a load of garbage.
Its as if people think a couple years ago we were some elite club winning titles year after year and now Klopps come in and hasn't delivered. Everyone laughs at Arsenal for just getting 4th every year... well we can't even do that! So how bad does that make us look?
Our league finishes have been abysmal barring that one season under Brendan. How can you go from finishing 6th 7th 8th to "Yeah we should be winning trophies, Klopps not delivering" Just because 'we're Liverpool' and it should be our right to be winning trophies? Lay off!
Taking history and stature out of the equation we are a midtable club looking to break into the top four. It's sad, but its true. You cant say "Oh yeah but X many years ago we were dominating, so we should be dominating now."
What Klopp has done, in respect to our recent campaigns (Which is all I'm interested in), is brilliant. Two cup finals in his first season was incredible, I don't even know if any of our players had even been in cup final before that. Also, the fact that no Liverpool fan was even expecting us to get to two cup finals tells you everything.
The current target for us should be to establish ourselves as a top four club. When people predict the top four before the season begins we need Liverpool to be mentioned just like Manchester City are. At the moment we aren't. We're a "maybe". That has to change before we even start to think about trophies.
Yeah, Klopp's done a decent job, no doubt.Good post. I do think we need to win something at some point for him to be considered successful, but Klopp has improved our league performances from where we’d mostly been prior to his arrival.
Yeah, I dislike Mourinho too.I don't get the love for him. I can't stand him. I've never liked him but he is seriously coming across as an egotistical prick. Not my cup of tea at all.
Good post.What a load of garbage.
Its as if people think a couple years ago we were some elite club winning titles year after year and now Klopps come in and hasn't delivered. Everyone laughs at Arsenal for just getting 4th every year... well we can't even do that! So how bad does that make us look?
Our league finishes have been abysmal barring that one season under Brendan. How can you go from finishing 6th 7th 8th to "Yeah we should be winning trophies, Klopps not delivering" Just because 'we're Liverpool' and it should be our right to be winning trophies? Lay off!
Taking history and stature out of the equation we are a midtable club looking to break into the top four. It's sad, but its true. You cant say "Oh yeah but X many years ago we were dominating, so we should be dominating now."
What Klopp has done, in respect to our recent campaigns (Which is all I'm interested in), is brilliant. Two cup finals in his first season was incredible, I don't even know if any of our players had even been in cup final before that. Also, the fact that no Liverpool fan was even expecting us to get to two cup finals tells you everything.
The current target for us should be to establish ourselves as a top four club. When people predict the top four before the season begins we need Liverpool to be mentioned just like Manchester City are. At the moment we aren't. We're a "maybe". That has to change before we even start to think about trophies.
This is all well and good, but I thought Klopp was supposed to be the one to finally deliver success?What a load of garbage.
Its as if people think a couple years ago we were some elite club winning titles year after year and now Klopps come in and hasn't delivered. Everyone laughs at Arsenal for just getting 4th every year... well we can't even do that! So how bad does that make us look?
Our league finishes have been abysmal barring that one season under Brendan. How can you go from finishing 6th 7th 8th to "Yeah we should be winning trophies, Klopps not delivering" Just because 'we're Liverpool' and it should be our right to be winning trophies? Lay off!
Taking history and stature out of the equation we are a midtable club looking to break into the top four. It's sad, but its true. You cant say "Oh yeah but X many years ago we were dominating, so we should be dominating now."
What Klopp has done, in respect to our recent campaigns (Which is all I'm interested in), is brilliant. Two cup finals in his first season was incredible, I don't even know if any of our players had even been in cup final before that. Also, the fact that no Liverpool fan was even expecting us to get to two cup finals tells you everything.
The current target for us should be to establish ourselves as a top four club. When people predict the top four before the season begins we need Liverpool to be mentioned just like Manchester City are. At the moment we aren't. We're a "maybe". That has to change before we even start to think about trophies.
Yeah, a whole 2 points above 5th!Nonsense from Hamann. Klopp has them punching well above their weight considering they're 5th in terms of budget and wage bills.
Well above their weight, mate.Yeah, a whole 2 points above 5th!
You pushed one of the hardest agendas possible for Rodgers, he was treated like Fergie reincarnated.To be fair to scousers and Klopp you never saw us pushing an agenda for Roy’s or Brendan’s sacking as we knew they wouldn’t be a constant threat with them in charge apart from that freak season, almost Leicester like. However, I personally want Klopp out and probably many others as we feel he evolved them and they don’t look like going away. That’s I guess testament to his good work in scousland, even if he’s serial loser when it comes to cups.
The forum was absolutely rife with hugely over the top praise for Rodgers and people were incredibly jealous of the football Liverpool were playing under him.To be fair to scousers and Klopp you never saw us pushing an agenda for Roy’s or Brendan’s sacking as we knew they wouldn’t be a constant threat with them in charge apart from that freak season, almost Leicester like. However, I personally want Klopp out and probably many others as we feel he evolved them and they don’t look like going away. That’s I guess testament to his good work in scousland, even if he’s serial loser when it comes to cups.
Liverpool is the most exciting team to watch, unfortunately. And who can come in now and make Liverpool a better team anyways? Think Liverpool did right by extending. Hamann is taking the piss hereHamann has got a point, Liverpool have won nothing under Klopp, Whereas we've won 2 trophies with Mourinho.
Fair enough, mate. You seem to be convinced he’s a flash in the pan, hope to feck your prophecy is accurate!The forum was absolutely rife with hugely over the top praise for Rodgers and people were incredibly jealous of the football Liverpool were playing under him.
I'm more than happy for them to keep Klopp, because all I see is the same cycle of messiah-like praise for a manager that doesn't deliver. There are glaring flaws with the way he sets his teams out and the quality in his squad, and he seems either unwilling or unable to address them.
Hanuman isn’t evil in our culture. Quite the opposite in fact he is considered as the destroyer of all demons and evil spirits.Yes, that's the one! It's such a distant memory. But I'm certain our teacher told us something along those lines
I think he's a good manager, but a tier below the top managers. He did very well to do what he did at Dortmund, but there were a number of circumstances that he benefited from that he will never be afforded at Liverpool, but people are still pretending and/or hoping he'll emulate the (brief) success he enjoyed in Germany.Fair enough, mate. You seem to be convinced he’s a flash in the pan, hope to feck your prophecy is accurate!
Exciting football or not, they've won nothing since they won the Carabao Cup in 2012. During that time we've won 2 premier league titles, A FA Cup, the Carabao Cup and the Europa league.Liverpool is the most exciting team to watch, unfortunately. And who can come in now and make Liverpool a better team anyways? Think Liverpool did right by extending. Hamann is taking the piss here
If I was a Liverpool fan, I'd certainly prefer progress and regular CL spot coupled with attractive football without winning anything over the next 3-4 years over something like an FA cup or a Europa League trophy and constantly sitting at 6-7th for example. Luck plays a much bigger role in cup competitions for starters. They are already able to beat bigger teams, their problem lies in consistency and the league table is a much better indicator for progress than a cup.I think he's a good manager, but a tier below the top managers. He did very well to do what he did at Dortmund, but there were a number of circumstances that he benefited from that he will never be afforded at Liverpool, but people are still pretending and/or hoping he'll emulate the (brief) success he enjoyed in Germany.
I don't think there's much prophetic about predicting that a man who's not won anything for 6 years not winning anything at a club that's not won anything for 6 years.
We cared because it got us a CL spotI also never understood why a club like United could care much about a second tier competition like the Europa League. Mourinho himself said once that he wouldn't want his players to win it because he doesn't want to see his players feeling that this was their level back when he was at Chelsea and I agreed with him back then. United is one of the richest clubs in the world and with your resources the only two competitions that should matter are the league and champions league. Clubs like Liverpool or Spurs or lower, yeah, maybe, but not United.
The praise for Rodgers came at a time when you had Moyes. If you’d had Ferguson in charge none of you would’ve cared what we were doing under BR.The forum was absolutely rife with hugely over the top praise for Rodgers and people were incredibly jealous of the football Liverpool were playing under him.
I'm more than happy for them to keep Klopp, because all I see is the same cycle of messiah-like praise for a manager that doesn't deliver. There are glaring flaws with the way he sets his teams out and the quality in his squad, and he seems either unwilling or unable to address them.
I'm not arguing against it, but this is comparable to securing a top 4 spot as an achievement for me. I mean sure, it's a success, but I'm not sure if I'd view it as bigger than a top 4 finish, for example.We cared because it got us a CL spot
He's either an arse licker or a merchant.You won't get very far on RAWK posting like that.
Welcome to RedCafe.
Firstly, not winning anything for 3-4 years and finishing in a CL spot was what Liverpool fans were touting for Klopp on his arrival, 3 years ago.If I was a Liverpool fan, I'd certainly prefer progress and regular CL spot coupled with attractive football without winning anything over the next 3-4 years over something like an FA cup or a Europa League trophy and constantly sitting at 6-7th for example. Luck plays a much bigger role in cup competitions for starters. They are already able to beat bigger teams, their problem lies in consistency and the league table is a much better indicator for progress than a cup.
I also never understood why a club like United could care much about a second tier competition like the Europa League. Mourinho himself said once that he wouldn't want his players to win it because he doesn't want to see his players feeling that this was their level back when he was at Chelsea and I agreed with him back then. United is one of the richest clubs in the world and with your resources the only two competitions that should matter are the league and champions league. Clubs like Liverpool or Spurs or lower, yeah, maybe, but not United.
Liverpool are better than they were under Rodgers, but I still feel that there's a very obvious ceiling to what Klopp can do for you, and that ceiling has very nearly been reached if not already, and that falls noticeably short of what you're expecting from him, and what you hired him for. Short of another flash in the pan season (which you'd undoubtedly and very understandably love) I just can't see how Klopp and his managerial style are going to get you any higher than being perennial top 4 battlers.The praise for Rodgers came at a time when you had Moyes. If you’d had Ferguson in charge none of you would’ve cared what we were doing under BR.
We’re a better team now than we were when Rodgers was sacked, but I agree that there are serious flaws in the way Klopp sets his team out over the course of a season, that may hold us back.