Casanova85
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All I want/need is Valverde sacked and Valencia winning the Copa.It’s all banter mate I’m only playing .
I’m glad you are taking it well.
Feck this.spineless era 2017-19 has to end.
All I want/need is Valverde sacked and Valencia winning the Copa.It’s all banter mate I’m only playing .
I’m glad you are taking it well.
Harsh to put Gotze, Bender and Kagawa in with the rest. But completely agree with Grosscheutz, was going to say the same myselfThis is why many hyped Dortmund players failed elsewhere. He did exactly the same there with the likes of Großkreutz*, Kagawa, Götze, Sahin, Piszcek, Bender, Schmelzer, etc.
*He was not even good enough for the 2nd german league. Under Klopp he became a german NT player and world champion. Now he is playing in the 3rd league.
He really makes players punching above their weights. This is the best thing a manager can do in my opinion.
In a final, yes,50/50 for real. At Anfield in a knock-out tie Ajax sure would struggle, like everyone.Still think Ajax will turn them over.
Spot on.As a united fan im jealous of liverpools manager for the 1st time ever. Going toe to toe with Bayern with dortmund and making a close Cl final and replicating that with liverpool having their highest ever point tally and making 2 cl finals in a row and probably winning this one.
His lack of trophies can be held against him but he takes tough jobs. Guardiola is a genius manager but he waltzes into the best squads and gets a blank chequebook.
I more admire Klopps ability to make average clubs main contenders.
Spot on.
I would love to see Pep take on a team like Dortmund or Liverpool (the one that Klopp inherited) but we will never see that simply because he is a coward. Great philosophy and all but winning domestic trophies with the best teams in every league he goes to is nowhere near the stuff Klopp is producing.
Me too. If you want a luxury manager to build the best team in the world provided with unlimited funds and the greatest players. Pep is definitely the guy. If you want the transform underdogs into beasts then it's Klopp.Spot on.
I would love to see Pep take on a team like Dortmund or Liverpool (the one that Klopp inherited) but we will never see that simply because he is a coward. Great philosophy and all but winning domestic trophies with the best teams in every league he goes to is nowhere near the stuff Klopp is producing.
That's a bit shit really. He manages the top teams because he is the best manager out there. Why would he go to Lyon when he could easily walk into the Bayern job?Spot on.
I would love to see Pep take on a team like Dortmund or Liverpool (the one that Klopp inherited) but we will never see that simply because he is a coward. Great philosophy and all but winning domestic trophies with the best teams in every league he goes to is nowhere near the stuff Klopp is producing.
Were you seriously expecting anyone to read what you've said after choosing that painful blend of different fonts and font sizes? Disgusting.You want to know Klopp's secret?
He has plan.
The players fit the plan, the tactics, the team.
He buys players which are very specific in their skillset and how they work within in the plan.
He believes in coaching first, not dipping into the market unless necessary. He always talks about this in press conferences.
The expensive players were a necessity, but he did give Mignolet and Karius a chance to get better before buying Alisson.
Klopp and Liverpool should be a great case study for any manager on implementing a plan.
Götze is hard to judge. It could be the same case as it is with Großkreutz (on a different level) or about his sickness. I don't know. But Kagawa was never the same player again after he moved to United. He was a world class before.Harsh to put Gotze, Bender and Kagawa in with the rest. But completely agree with Grosscheutz, was going to say the same myself
Wait, what?Spot on.
I would love to see Pep take on a team like Dortmund or Liverpool (the one that Klopp inherited) but we will never see that simply because he is a coward. Great philosophy and all but winning domestic trophies with the best teams in every league he goes to is nowhere near the stuff Klopp is producing.
You got a point, no question about that. But still there is not much you can take away from Pep's class. He needs top quality players for his ambitions, but his ambition is not from this planet. His consistency (in the league) is incredible. Look how far he has taken City. Maybe the best/most consistent side in PL-history. But somehow he fails to perform on the biggest stage in knockout games, as proven with Bayern and now City. Even with Barca he could or should have done more in Europe. His approach is probably too one dimensional.Spot on.
I would love to see Pep take on a team like Dortmund or Liverpool (the one that Klopp inherited) but we will never see that simply because he is a coward. Great philosophy and all but winning domestic trophies with the best teams in every league he goes to is nowhere near the stuff Klopp is producing.
Yeah, that is exactly the absurd hyperbole I was talking about. We are speaking about a guy who has not won anything of note since 2012. Hell, if Suarez, Messi or Alba had taken one of their huge chances yesterday - or if Liverpool loses the final which I doubt unfortunately - he would still have won feck all with Liverpool. I won´t deny that he is absolutely overachieving this season, but Rodgers also had them playing very well for that one season without breaking the records for the most expensive goalkeeper and defender.I just take your posting out of several others, so do not take it personal.
But it is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if people are actually looking soccer or just visiting forums. Have you seen the match in Barcelona? The 0:3 happened due to Messi, not due to Barcelona being the overall much, much stronger team. If you take both games into account, Liverpool deserved beating Barcelona, even by a large margin. Without Messi and a bit of luck for Liverpool, this would have been brutal.
And it is not Klopps first great season in his life. Klopp took Mainz, a weak Bundesliga team and sent them to Europe and when he joined BVB, the team was 13th in the Bundesliga and he created a top contender in Europe. We in Dortmund are still reaping the benefits of his amazing time.
I am watching soccer for 40 years now and Klopp is the single best manager I have ever seen. He is like the Midas of coaches, because everything he touches changes to gold.
Yes, I can understand how you hate the guy, because he is real and passionate and people hate real and passionate people and love fake guys who smile for everything. But this guy loves soccer, he would never ever join a plastic club, he chose Liverpool and Dortmund, because they are big clubs with a huge and old tradition.
The only thing you could criticise is that he often loses in finals, but this criticism is ridiculous, because his teams were always by far the underdog. And when you bring a club from the 2nd league into a cup final, chances are that they will lose vs a first league team.
A challenge? Do you think that Bayern wouldn't have won the Bundesliga and City wouldn't have won the PL without him? His challenge perhaps was to take them to European glory, in which he failed.That's a bit shit really. He manages the top teams because he is the best manager out there. Why would he go to Lyon when he could easily walk into the Bayern job?
Injury ruined Sahin. Kagawa was one unlucky guy who mostly got shunted to the wing while he was here. Moyes didn't fancy a small player like him but then went on to sign a similar player in Mata because he was a popular name and shunted Kagawa to the wing in the process. I still think he played well with Mata when he got consistent playing time in the last few matches around March and April under Moyes. He was even nominated as one of the players of the month in the said months.This is why many hyped Dortmund players failed elsewhere. He did exactly the same there with the likes of Großkreutz*, Kagawa, Götze, Sahin, Piszcek, Bender, Schmelzer, etc.
*He was not even good enough for the 2nd german league. Under Klopp he became a german NT player and world champion. Now he is playing in the 3rd league.
He really makes players punching above their weights. This is the best thing a manager can do in my opinion.
Klopp took underdogs such as Dortmund and Liverpool to multiple European finals. Pep won domestic titles with well-oiled machines that would've won their leagues without him.Wait, what?
And lost them all bar one.Klopp took underdogs such as Dortmund and Liverpool to multiple European finals. Pep won domestic titles with well-oiled machines that would've won their leagues without him.
And lost them all bar one.
Moot point considering Southampton and Fulham have never and will never reach multiple European finals.So a manager which takes the likes of Southampton, Fulham or whoever into multiple UCL finals, to lose them, would be a failure too, right? Better go win the UCL with Real Madrid etc. Di Matteo is probably one of the best managers in the world btw, United should sign him next.
Obviously Liverpool and Dortmund are not Fulham etc.but still he took those teams to much higher levels. I would love if my team has the opportunity to lose big finals. Most United fans would prefer that probably too these days.
We've been asking the wrong question all along. It's not, "can Messi do it at Stoke on a cwwtn*?". It's, "can Messi do it with Stoke on a cwwtn*?"!Coaching any team is a challenge. He is winning plenty of trophies and setting records. Just like the best players get to play for the best teams, Guardiola manages top clubs because he is arguably the best manager out there. Do you think Ronaldo should have joined Spurs or Arsenal instead of Juventus?
At the time Klopp took over Dortmund, they were on Southampton/Fulham level.Moot point considering Southampton and Fulham have never and will never reach multiple European finals.
Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, reflected by their transfer market expenditure under Klopp, comparing them to those above is ridiculous.
I think his days as a nearly man will be soon be coming to an end and he will start winning trophies with liverpool either this season or next.And lost them all bar one.
Dortmund is one of the biggest football clubs in Germany, with multiple domestic and European trophies to their name. Southampton aren't even the biggest club on the southern coast of England. They have one FA Cup to their name.At the time Klopp took over Dortmund, they were on Southampton/Fulham level.
Perhaps.I think his days as a nearly man will be soon be coming to an end and he will start winning trophies with liverpool either this season or next.
Given that Ajax should go through to the final, this seems appropriate!
He's not wrong. They used to be an European giant, yeah, but at that time they truly were Fulham level. Only the lower tier BL players or 2nd division were attainable for them, they were close to relegation and even had much less money compared to any English club. It's as if Hamburg would suddenly start smashing Madrid and going to the CL final in 4 years. Completely unimaginable and a ridiculous thought back then.Dortmund is one of the biggest football clubs in Germany, with multiple domestic and European trophies to their name. Southampton aren't even the biggest club on the southern coast of England. They have one FA Cup to their name.
At no point in the history of football has Dortmund been on the same level as Southampton.
Exactly!Hope the Ajax lads are reminded everyday of what he has said.....no better motivation
Dortmund is one of the biggest football clubs in Germany, with multiple domestic and European trophies to their name. Southampton aren't even the biggest club on the southern coast of England. They have one FA Cup to their name.
At no point in the history of football has Dortmund been on the same level as Southampton.
immer eine BrautjungferWhat’s German for “always a bridesmaid?”
Dortmund were debt laden midtable side that was briefly flirting with relegation battle the season before Klopp was appointed. Others also had a hand in it but his tenure there is the difference between being possibly another Hamburg/Stuttgart and the second biggest Club in Germany.Dortmund is one of the biggest football clubs in Germany, with multiple domestic and European trophies to their name. Southampton aren't even the biggest club on the southern coast of England. They have one FA Cup to their name.
At no point in the history of football has Dortmund been on the same level as Southampton.