Mane better
It's like people are just forming opinions on a whim these days.
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If we’re talking about the last two seasons then I think both seasons of Mane are better than what Giggs contributed after 22 yes, Ginola no, Pires yes maybe, Giggs had 20 years at the top that’s more than Ronaldinho and Kaka, even double, it doesn’t mean he attained the heights they did does it?(Neither did Mane, I know) if were judging players on the length of their careers and honours then Giggs is top 5 player of all time, ahead of Ronaldinho, Figo, Kaka, Best, Romario, Weah and so on, the truth is though he didn’t reach the levels of these players which is the argument, not that he had a better career overall, if you burst into the scene as a 18 year old the best 18 year around and still playing 20 years later at a good level for one of the greatest managers and teams of all time the chances are you would have had a better career than all but a handful of footballers.Pretty much all of it, mate.
We are not comparing Giggs to Keane and Beckham, you and others are claiming Mane to be a better player than him – and you went a step further adding Ginola and Pires. What exactly is Mane better at?
Dribbling? No. Not even close.
Crossing? No. Not even close.
Tackling? No.
Passing? No. Not even close.
Pace, on and off the ball? No.
Heading? Yes.
Shooting? Yes. Just about.
You are completely undermining Giggs' ability and putting his legacy down to longevity only. Giggs was a phenomenal player.If we’re talking about the last two seasons then I think both seasons of Mane are better than what Giggs contributed after 22 yes, Ginola no, Pires yes maybe, Giggs had 20 years at the top that’s more than Ronaldinho and Kaka, even double, it doesn’t mean he attained the heights they did does it?(Neither did Mane, I know) if were judging players on the length of their careers and honours then Giggs is top 5 player of all time, ahead of Ronaldinho, Figo, Kaka, Best, Romario, Weah and so on, the truth is though he didn’t reach the levels of these players which is the argument, not that he had a better career overall, if you burst into the scene as a 18 year old the best 18 year around and still playing 20 years later at a good level for one of the greatest managers and teams of all time the chances are you would have had a better career than all but a handful of footballers.
How what the hell? Argue with the points mate. I never said he wasn’t one of the best wingers of our times not once, his greatness is down to longevity and natural innate ability, and ability wise there are few players who could match him, saying that there is nothing wrong with arguing that he never reached the heights of certain players who burnt brighter and quicker, that’s why I named Kaka Ronaldinho etc these players had better peaks than both Mane and Giggs, but maybe for 4-5 years at a time, just so you can understand what my line of reasoning is.You are completely undermining Giggs' ability and putting his legacy down to longevity only. Giggs was a phenomenal player.
Yes, you keep bringing other players in to the debate. Saying that Ronaldinho was better than Giggs doesn't back up the argument that Mane is. So what does Mane do, that makes him better than Giggs?How what the hell? Argue with the points mate. I never said he wasn’t one of the best wingers of our times not once, his greatness is down to longevity and natural innate ability, and ability wise there are few players who could match him, saying that there is nothing wrong with arguing that he never reached the heights of certain players who burnt brighter and quicker, that’s why I named Kaka Ronaldinho etc these players had better peaks than both Mane and Giggs, but maybe for 4-5 years at a time, just so you can understand what my line of reasoning is.
Nothing , I’m wrong bored just wanted to argue.Yes, you keep bringing other players in to the debate. Saying that Ronaldinho was better than Giggs doesn't back up the argument that Mane is. So what does Mane do, that makes him better than Giggs?
He’s my all-time hero, bar none. I’ll defend him until the cows come home.Anyway, Keane has been on fire latelyHe's great fun. As soon as he smirks I'm cracking up. A
Also seems to be praising United more. I wonder if someone had a word in his ear to lighten as I swear he wasn't like this for ages. Unless he's just become more comfortable in front of a camera.
He was my favourite player for a while as a kid. He was when I saw him score against Fiorentina after Batistuta scored that screamer.He’s my all-time hero, bar none. I’ll defend him until the cows come home.
What a player. What a leader. What a man.
Did you ever see Giggs play, and I don't mean when he was approaching 40, I mean throughout his 20 year career at United?Mané is far better than Giggs tbh.
Yes. I’m not 16.Did you ever see Giggs play, and I don't mean when he was approaching 40, I mean throughout his 20 year career at United?
That’s the way I see it. The goals help for Mane but Giggs was one of if not the best winger I’ve ever seen. If he got the ball with space in front of him it was terrifying. Same with Mane now.Mane 2020 > Giggs 99.
Giggs overall > Mane overall.
Mane has contributed 27 goals this season in 32 games. we are only in Feb. Its hard to compare them because maybe Mane plays more advanced but he has better numbers than anything Giggs hasMane betterIt's like people are just forming opinions on a whim these days.
Being 17 doesn’t make you the dogs bollix young man.Yes. I’m not 16.
Never in a million fcuking years. 99 wasn’t even Giggs best year either.Mane 2020 > Giggs 99.
Giggs overall > Mane overall.
They beat Barcelona 4-0 without Salah and firminoThe intresting thing about this debate was the Liverpool midfield wasn't even mentioned.
I've never ever had a discussion about a team being one of the best without one of their midfield players being the best.
I've said it many times, there are 6 players that make this Liverpool team. You take 2 of them out for a long period (6 or more weeks ) and you will see it come crumbling down.
Utd won the CL without Keane and Scholes.
Could Liverpool win the CL without VVD and Mane ? No chance.
Let's compare with our eyes. That's the best way. You can't compare stats in completely different set ups at completely different times in what is now a completely different league.Mane has contributed 27 goals this season in 32 games. we are only in Feb. Its hard to compare them because maybe Mane plays more advanced but he has better numbers than anything Giggs has
Okay, so which year would you pick to say ‘Giggs > Mané 2020’? It’s not even about 99. What about 2002 then? Or 98? Or 2006? If the answer is consistently ‘no’, then what does ‘overall’ mean? Mané obviously hasn’t retired yet, buys he has been at this level for more than 2 years now.Mane 2020 > Giggs 99.
Giggs overall > Mane overall.
My point is, even of that second list, Figo was a Balloon winner, Ginola was a PL Player of the Year winner if I’m not mistaken. I’m not talking exclusively of goals here, simply level. It’s always hard discussing retired players on here, in comparison to current ones, especially retired United players, as their careers are summarised into a 10 minute highlight video without flaws. Especially when they win lots of trophies. Giggs was a very inconsistent player in truth. Not just in 99, but in 98, 2000 and whatever and the other years. Now all he is is a wizard who did nothing but terrorise full backs and create goals every week.Don't different time periods/formations have to come in to play when discussing Mane and Giggs? Players like Bale, Hazard, Mane, Salah, Rashford etc play much more aggressively than Giggs, Figo, Ginola etc (with those players you probably get about 150 career goals over 15-20 years)
It's a bit like the 90s midfielder (and a bit further back). Nowadays every midfielder has to have his specialised role as a defensive box-to-box, deep lying playmaker, attacking midfielder, pure defensive midfielder etc. when the likes of Vieira, Keane, Ince, Effenburg, were really expected to do a bit of everything to a very high standard. Player roles and demands change.
What we saw last season was 1st and 2nd win game after game, finishing with 97 and 98 points respectively, the league has never seen anything like it.The level of quality this season in both the champions league and premier league is not as strong as what the 99 team had to deal with.
Imagine that 99 team against these current premier league teams where most of them are average to poor defensively, just compare 2nd in the league now in man city to arsenal 99 in terms of defensive capabilities, talk about fill ya boots.
I’m not sure if you have MUTV, but you will be horrified if you watch our games from the 90s back again. The PL was a terrible standard, and I’m almost a little embarrassed for our success sometimes when I see some of the goals we scored and the standard of defending.The level of quality this season in both the champions league and premier league is not as strong as what the 99 team had to deal with.
Imagine that 99 team against these current premier league teams where most of them are average to poor defensively, just compare 2nd in the league now in man city to arsenal 99 in terms of defensive capabilities, talk about fill ya boots.
Giggs created or scored a goal in every other game for over 900 games for us, so he wasn't far off.My point is, even of that second list, Figo was a Balloon winner, Ginola was a PL Player of the Year winner if I’m not mistaken. I’m not talking exclusively of goals here, simply level. It’s always hard discussing retired players on here, in comparison to current ones, especially retired United players, as their careers are summarised into a 10 minute highlight video without flaws. Especially when they win lots of trophies. Giggs was a very inconsistent player in truth. Not just in 99, but in 98, 2000 and whatever and the other years. Now all he is is a wizard who did nothing but terrorise full backs and create goals every week.