Sorry, I've just grown attached to this hypothetical person in the last 30 minutes and developed sympathy for her.
Yeah, I'll mention it at my next confession Dwazza.
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LGBT Relationship Lessons in UK Schools
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Sorry, I've just grown attached to this hypothetical person in the last 30 minutes and developed sympathy for her.
Yeah, I'll mention it at my next confession Dwazza.
I don't know. I'm not good at figuring out educational policy. But hopefully not teaching them to throw gays from tall buildings as a good start.
Id like to think gay couples arent a fantasy such as a mermaid ?
He didnt say that from my understanding. Its arguing environmental factors do and can have an impact.
Being gay straight or bi isnt as simple has having a nose or not. A lot of people go through a phase of discovering themselves and where they fit into society. That's not every straight or gay person but it happens.
The mermaid one is an example. This was my earlier point - if your view deviates one bit from the excepted norm you're basically an idiot homophobe..
Then what are you arguing against? Because this thread is literally a response to people protesting against a) the penguin book being in the school and b) kids being taught not to discriminate based on sexual orientation along with gender, age or disability. That's it. And your first post in this thread was to claim you were against it and that it sexualizes children, before later fretting that kids will catch the gay at school.
So either you're very weird or you began your contribution to the thread by railing against something the thread wasn't about. Or both.
And I'd like to think that "using a book about gay penguins to teach kids not to discriminate might turn them gay" isn't an argument anyone ever has to take seriously. Yet here we are.
Just for reference, there are 17 curriculum areas that practitioners must assess pupils against to identify whether or not a child has reached the early learning goal (expected standard) as they make the transition from EYFS to KS1. At least six of them are directly linked to the domain of relationships. Yes, they’re four - and for these pupils forming relationships is one of the bedrocks of primary curricula.
The wider debate is largely simple. Pupils, especially in schools that place emphasis on personal development (if they don’t then they are in bother going forward), are told what the nine Protected Characteristics are. They are told that it is illegal to discriminate against these Characteristics. They are taught that in 21st century society, same-sex couples are a certain type of relationship. They are then taught that discriminating against these relationships would be illegal and wrong.
Sex education in primary schools prepares pupils for the changes in their bodies that will occur. They will be able to explain that babies are made as a result of sexual intercourse, or other technological avenues (IVF). They’re not taught about having sex in primary school. None of this content is anything other than age-appropriate.
The biggest issues schools face in this instance is dinosaur mentality and a lack of understanding and/or maturity via the parents.
He isn’t a bigot. He hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about, however.
That person is not gay or lesbian during this process. You are confusing somebody experimenting with their sexuality to find out where they are (what is wrong with that by the way? Please answer) before settling there, with somebody being gay or lesbian. Can you not see how your inability to actually see things for what they are, can be harmful if you try to legislate on education based on your misconceptions. The notion that Raees is saying, that being taught about gay parents in school means your kid might say 'I have decided now without doing any experimenting to be sure, that I'm gay so now I'm just going to feck men for the rest of my life even if I don't feel attracted to them because that's what school said!' is absolutely ludicrous. People know what they feel, and sometimes people think they feel something, test it out and realise that they either do feel that and they were right, or they don't feel that and so they're not going to do it anymore. Nobody is just gay because school told them to be, I can't say I know much about your posting history so I'm going to credit you with more intelligence than state that you're in agreement with that viewpoint.
If that's not a lesbian phase then what is it? I don't know if there is a more accurate scientific term for it but it's not rare to find girls say "I went through a lesbian/bi phase in college". I don't know what you mean by the go on as I'm talking about the same thing I believe.
I'm not arguing the right or wrong of it but that it does happen -- the environment CAN shape your orientation especially as some people are on the spectrum. I'm not here to say it's right or wrong.
As for the rest of your post, I wont comment more. If you think I'm not intelligent enough anyway for your superior understanding there's no reason to debate.
@Zarlak summed it up nicely
I'm not part of that argument but just saying you can't compare the issue of homosexuality in society with a completely fictional one.
What?
He said I am confusing experimenting with a "permanent" status. The rest of it is just "you're dumb".
I'm not going to bother answering the phase/permanent status thing. I'm not confusing the two but to act like both are disjoint sets is just silly. Really, there's no point arguing about it since it's too controversial of a topic and I don't see anyone on here changing their views.
I stand by what I said. He summed it up nicely.
Ah yes. My perfect set of values all shall adhere to. If not, we must make these savages adhere to it. Sounds familiar...
Maybe he summed up your views nicely but it certainly didn't make me rethink what I had said.
Maybe I should get serious about it.
I wouldn’t expect you to.
I'm just copying and pasting. It's what I do best!
Why is that?
This is true. Follow your dharma
Because I read your posts.
Plenty of me's exist in society whether you like it or not. You think no difference can be made on any of us?
I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean, but I’m not thrilled about it.
You don't expect me to understand why a school curriculum should include something, supposedly because of my views. There are hundreds of thousands of people like me which you would also agree.
My question is, do you just accept that these people have to blindly agree to school curriculums? Especially since you don't expect them to "get it".
You’ll have to excuse me, I was under the impression that this exhange was about girls making out to turn a guy on.
I'm really not.
You have not explained why you think that merely informing kids that there are a range of sexualities might make them gay.
It seems to be based on the assumption that gay sex is bad.
That was a while ago. That's something that does happen so yeah. This exchange is about something else but I'll drop it.
My only point is that environmental factors do play a part. I don't know how that assumption is made on gay sex being bad but again, me saying it's not bad doesn't matter. I'm forgetting what it was but someone was laughing at the idea of anything taught to children having any impact on their future sexuality and I just picked up on that.
The only impact I can imagine possible is minimising kid's shame at having sexual thoughts that their parents or society deem not to be normal.
But from what I understand those kids haven't even hit puberty, so they don't have any sexual thoughts.
Was it? If so why would that being a factor make tellings kids that there are a variety of sexualities be a problem?
What? Are you serious? Kids have feelings about their sexuality and gender identity from very young indeed.
And even if they don't why shouldn't they be informed about such things as they are a normal part of life?
They can't drink or drive or vote yet but we talk to them about such things.
I don't remember having any as a kid, I remember I thought some girls are pretty in my class but that's about it.
I don't know if it's a problem. I'm not sure in this case. However for me it's between "How would this shape their environment" vs "anything they see or learn doesn't matter because a gay dude knows he's gay automatically and a straight person knows they are, always".
Yet you weren't attracted to boys? Whuch probably says these feelings were at least partly related to your sexuality and gender identity?
Would that be even considered attraction? Btw I'm not arguing anything here before I get piled on for saying children before puberty are too young to have sexual thoughts, I can see how people are aggressive in this thread and I want none of that.
Not discussing normal everyday parts of life can only end badly in shame, confusion and recriminations.
As parents are often rubbish at duscussing anything sexual with their kids, especially "difficult" subjects school is the perfect place for such things.