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That's subjective but what I was asking was, like the poster I was replying to, would we want their squad players in our 11?Gnabry is much better than Lingard though to be honest.
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That's subjective but what I was asking was, like the poster I was replying to, would we want their squad players in our 11?Gnabry is much better than Lingard though to be honest.
Well I'd rather have Gnabry than Lingard in our starting 11 yeah.That's subjective but what I was asking was, like the poster I was replying to, would we want their squad players in our 11?
Everton (Mirallas and Bolasie), Crystal Palace (Zaha), Leicester (Mahrez), Newcastle (Atsu), Stoke (Shaqiri), Swansea (Sigurdsson) and West Ham (Lanzini and Arnautovic) all have better attackers than him.Lingard is a superb player.
I'd rather have Lingard.Well I'd rather have Gnabry than Lingard in our starting 11 yeah.
Couldn't have put it better myself. An average/shit player will be called average/shit. Don't know why people want to make a big conspiracy out of itDon't know why you need to make it personal. He's a mediocre footballer who will end up at a team in the bottom half of the table within a couple years. Most of us can see this. Doesn't mean we hate the guy, or he's a "public enemy", or he's a scapegoat, or we have an agenda. That's making it personal and throwing such accusations around is childish.
Fact is not every player we have is good enough. It's OK to acknowledge that and be critical of them as players. Doesn't mean we hate them and want a public execution ffs. Just means we want to see better players at United so our team performs better and we get back to competing in the CL with the best teams, like we used to.
That's your opinion.Everton (Mirallas and Bolasie), Crystal Palace (Zaha), Leicester (Mahrez), Newcastle (Atsu), Stoke (Shaqiri), Swansea (Sigurdsson) and West Ham (Lanzini and Arnautovic) all have better attackers than him.
The bigger sides all have multiple better options meaning the majority of teams in this league have better attackers than Lingard. He's rank average is what he is.
Gnabry scored 11 league goals last season, Lingard scored 1.I'd rather have Lingard.
Gnabry won how many trophies last year?Gnabry scored 11 league goals last season, Lingard scored 1.
Gnabry doesn't consistently play in the first team which is my point. Rafinha is decent.With the exception of Madrid, would we argue about having every "squad player" that Bayern & Barca have? I mean, you reckon Barca's Rafinha would come straight into our 11? You think Gnabry would come straight into our 11? The answer would be no.
Yes. And Pluto is a massive planet.Lingard is a superb player.
No he's not.Lingard is a superb player.
no, fletcher did the dirty work that a player like him needs to do, thats his m/o when it comes to matches, this is the opposite of what lingard needs. Lingard needs to be able to impact on matches in an offensive way and he is utter shite at thisLingard reminds me of Fletcher. Will only come to be appreciated when he starts hitting his peak years.
Does alot of the dirty work that goes unnoticed by fans but appreciated by Managers.
Scores/contributes at key moments in big matches.
This.Keep him away from the starting eleven. Nowhere near good enough to start ahead of Rashford, Martial, Mata and Miki.
Are you a manager or are you just assuming this is the case? I've never even heard a Pundit say that Lingard is a great player for a manager to have at his disposal. Would love to see some insight into it, if you can find any.Lingard reminds me of Fletcher. Will only come to be appreciated when he starts hitting his peak years.
Does alot of the dirty work that goes unnoticed by fans but appreciated by Managers.
Scores/contributes at key moments in big matches.
Paul the WolfSome of the other players haven't played to their ability, accepted, but even at their below par level they produce and offer more than Lingard. However, Lingard week in , week out produces poor performances but continues to get picked whether he performs or not, the others have one poor match and lose their place.
The expectations of the others are higher but that shouldn't mean that the default choice is Lingard, this is the biggest gripe of most people.
I think all United fans would be over the moon if Lingard produces consistently good performances but it never has been the case and highly unlikely it ever will be the case and like others I want United to be successful but my heart sinks every time he's in the starting line-up. I don't have favourite players that I want to lead us to victory , I don't care which of them does it but if he plays as often as he has during the last two seasons we are not going to be challenging for the title this season and at this point in time this is the most important thing for the club.
Plenty of poor players have won trophys over the years,look at the liverpool squad who won there laughable version of the treble which are basicly the trophys we'v won these last two years,theres some woeful players who played a lot of games in that squad.What I don't understand is, how you can slate a player and support him at the same time? Also, how can he be so poor and be in a team that has picked up trophies in the past couple of years? He's not just been a bit part player, he's been an integral player.
If I'm doing Butt and Fletcher such a disservice, why did these guys not go to a league challenging team? Because like I said earlier, players like Jesse, Fletcher & Butt etc are more valuable to us, than they're to other top 6 teams. They're really good squad players. Without such players, you won't win trophies.
Like I say, I really don't understand why Jesse gets so much stick?! But of course, everyone has their own opinion on players, just like I do. But I'm a, "half glass full" kind of guy. I'll always try and see the best in our players. Rather than see what they don't bring to the team, I'll look at what they do bring.
He won't fletcher was a midfielder and lack of creativity was fine while lingard is attacking midfielder and for him goals assists is what matter. He's not the one to break up play or set tempo from middle like a central midfielder would do like fletcher.Lingard reminds me of Fletcher. Will only come to be appreciated when he starts hitting his peak years.
Does alot of the dirty work that goes unnoticed by fans but appreciated by Managers.
Scores/contributes at key moments in big matches.
Park was a part of title winning sides and seemed to have unlimited energy, I think if United start winning titles with Lingard in the team he might be more appreciated.Am I the only only who doesn't see Lingard as an attacking midfielder?
I think he's more like Park. Defensive Winger or that kind of thing.
People appreciated Park so I don't see why Lingard is so unappreciated.
He is the new Fletcher 2006 and Fellaini 2014From what I've noticed and it might just be me but is the amount of hate for Lingard on here warranted?
In recent threads Lingard's name has not been mentioned in many positive contexts, I would go so far as to say that Lingard is now the most despised United player on here even more so than Fellaini. I'm not a big Lingard fan but I can definitely appreciate the times when he comes in and does a job defensively or tactically. Furthermore he's made some big contributions in big games.
I do hope we replace him with a more talented winger but I think he's good enough to be squad player who is occasionally used when needed. Mou trusts him, the lads love him and he's virtually a local lad.
Your level of formal education is utterly irrelavant to your ability to understand football at coaching level.It has to be one of the most nepotistic professions on the planet. Almost every manager is an ex pro, almost all of whom were taken out of school at an early age and generally have very low education levels. .....
Correct. Fletch shut everybody up shortly after and big Marouane has made his first baby steps to becoming a (non-starting, off the bench, ball-juggling, feather-ruffling) **** hero. Hopefully, Jesse will find a path to redemption in here too.He is the new Fletcher 2006 and Fellaini 2014
If Lingard is moved on (god forbid), I would love to see Martial or Mikhitaryan play the defensive winger role. And then cry in silence as we concede 4.Park was a part of title winning sides and seemed to have unlimited energy, I think if United start winning titles with Lingard in the team he might be more appreciated.
Disagree, Fletchers role was to be a work horse in midfield, to allow the more creative players to get on the ball and damage the opposition.Lingard reminds me of Fletcher. Will only come to be appreciated when he starts hitting his peak years.
Does alot of the dirty work that goes unnoticed by fans but appreciated by Managers.
Scores/contributes at key moments in big matches.
No drama here.If Lingard is moved on (god forbid), I would love to see Martial or Mikhitaryan play the defensive winger role. And then cry in silence as we concede 4.
If we force Martial or Mikitaryan to play that role I bet it won't turn out good.No drama here.
Conversely, when Lingard plays he stifles our attack far more than the other two you mentioned. He's grand to use in bigger games as a tactical pawn and he will do as he's told and work hard. I was glad he didn't start yesterday as often in those kind of games where we dominate, he struggles to create anything. He's much better being used in the bigger games as a defensive minded player.If we force Martial or Mikitaryan to play that role I bet it won't turn out good.
You're right, he isn't as good at contributing to the attack as the others. And that's probably why he didn't start vs West Ham at home. He has a different role to the other 'forward' players at the club and people have got to appreciate that.Conversely, when Lingard plays he stifles our attack far more than the other two you mentioned. He's grand to use in bigger games as a tactical pawn and he will do as he's told and work hard. I was glad he didn't start yesterday as often in those kind of games where we dominate, he struggles to create anything. He's much better being used in the bigger games as a defensive minded player.