My apologies I overreacted. Though this is the sort of racist stuff my wife has week in week out living in the UK, people assume she's doing certain jobs.
Madeleine McCann
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Now Peter Sutcliffe is blaming the parents.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3518510/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-in-sick-madeleine-mccan-rant/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3518510/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-in-sick-madeleine-mccan-rant/
I knew it'd be a Sun story before I saw the link. Sheesh.
Not gonna click on the link.
'Ban this sick filth' indeed...
Nah, the window in which they would have had to act was way too short for them to be able to do everything so perfectly. I think it was one of their friends who went on a walk to look after the children at one point so they would have had to get them involved too.
What I find strange is that they immediately assumed that she had been taken when they returned and saw her missing. When a 4-year old is left at home alone, with the door wide open, initial assumption would be that she wandered off somewhere rather than kidnapping. Also, the frequency with which they were supposed to look at kids was weird too, I mean they were not afraid to leave them home alone (multiple families) but were careful enough to be looking after them every 10 minutes? These are the only two things that could suggest that it was somehow planned but also do not provide any evidence of it and could be purely coincidential.
Not gypsies but people from Romania - any difference
??Here in riverside NJ all the Brazilian women I know are maids and the men are construction workers. You must have a problem with women working as maids because the first Portuguese generation here was the same and they worked as maids and in factories but now the second and third generation have several different jobs.
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Here in the states they assume I'm Hispanic all the time and I don't give a shit even when they try to speak Spanish to me - happens constantly because I work in a school district and only the Hispanic teachers - born outside US, know Portugal is across the pound (ok a few teachers can show where Portugal is in a map)
No the problem I have is they assume she is working here illegally.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a cook or a maid. Both jobs are very hard, very needed and completely fair.
Jesus, The Sun really is a rag.
Stereotypes?Not gypsies but people from Romania - any difference
You are 100 % right. I wouldn't describe that as xaenophobia though.
I don't think that anyone in the thread has said that. I said some Brazilians get pissed off with Portuguese assuming that they are cooks and maids, and talk down to them. The issue for my wife in the UK is that some people assume she is here illegally, and that she is engaged in a range of jobs from waitress to prostitute. It's the stereotyping and racism I have a problem with, not what someone's occupation is.
Stereotyping does happen everywhere though, it's not exclusive to certain countries. I wouldn't count Portugal or UK as particularly xenophobic, they'd probably be close to the lower end of the list actually. I get where you are coming from though, I remember how hard I had to argue back in 2012 before Euro in Poland that we were not racist idiots.
It does, my comment that sparked this was just that Brazilians may have a different opinion of Portuguese than the one put forward. Racism, and stereotyping exists everywhere, consciously, and subconsciously.
You're 100 % right about the stereotyping, I'm dating a Brazilian woman myself and quite often when I tell that to friends I get a joke or a tacky reply. Maid/cook is lucky enough, more commonly it will be stripper/prostitute.
That said, I don't think that classifies as xenophobia, as it doesn't reflect hatred or anything like that. Just bad taste in jokes or ignorant stereotypes. By saying we're one of the least xenophobic countries in Europe I was alluring to the fact that in over 40 years of democracy never a right-winger FN sort (or even UKIP equivalents, etc) was elected as a representative on our parliament, nor we have any history at all of harm committed against foreigners motivated by racism, etc.
It's her birthday today, apparently. Must be a bit grim for the family.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Cann-s-parents-touching-birthday-message.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Cann-s-parents-touching-birthday-message.html
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This is a disgrace, so much money spent chasing dead links. There's loads of children need help here at home that should be prioritised instead of helping out these 2 idiots further.
They should end this case and arrest the 2 parents for child neglect and be done with it.
It never made sense to me why they weren't charged with that. If you leave your kids alone in the house while you go for a night out, and they go missing, can you really go without blame?
I'm sure they beat themselves up every day, but it's ultimately their fault.
I'm sure they beat themselves up every day, but it's ultimately their fault.
Whatever.
This must be the cushiest job on the force, sat on your fecking arse for years at a time, and the only effort or skill required is writing the budget requirements for the next couple of years.
Because they certainly are not doing anything else because there is NOTHING else for them to do with this case.
This must be the cushiest job on the force, sat on your fecking arse for years at a time, and the only effort or skill required is writing the budget requirements for the next couple of years.
Because they certainly are not doing anything else because there is NOTHING else for them to do with this case.
Like others have mentioned on that tweet it's likely because they are both doctors and have money.
Guaranteed if it was a typical working class family this happened to then they wouldn't have received any funding at all and the investigators would've ended this case years ago, social services would've taken the remaining kids from their care plus the parents would have been locked up for child neglect, somehow these have managed to escape from all that.
I did think this nearer the time. There are countless children that go missing every year but for some reason Maddie was thrust into the spotlight. It has to be money.
11m in 6 years! It's incredible. Just think how that money could have been better used.
2+2=5.
They thrust themselves and everything about the case into the spotlight and kept it there. It made it impossible for any objectivity in the case.
Assuming they weren't done because they have money smells of envy.
The Ben Needham case in Kos (which now seems to have been finally resolved, sadly) is very similar. Little English child abroad, mysterious disappearance, years of searching and false leads.
Ben Needham disappeared in 1991, and the police only last month found evidence strongly suggesting that the child was killed in a digger accident on the day he went missing. So, I don't think we can say that the Madeleine case is unique, in respect of the length of time that the investigation's continued.
Ben Needham disappeared in 1991, and the police only last month found evidence strongly suggesting that the child was killed in a digger accident on the day he went missing. So, I don't think we can say that the Madeleine case is unique, in respect of the length of time that the investigation's continued.
Missing White Woman Syndrome.
Yeah its exactly the same, remember it well. False sightings, how he may look now, all dead ends.
If the kid was abducted and killed then it's ultimately whoever abducted and killed her's fault.
I would imagine the reason they haven't been charged with neglect is that it wasn't actually deemed possible to convict them of neglect as there's bound to be a big "I wouldn't do it but it isn't technically criminally actionable" grey area the prosecution would have to prove they went beyond?
Plus, as I mentioned above, the possibility of a third party actively attempting to harm Madeline probably complicated the level of blame the prosecution could direct towards the McCanns. Have any other people in the McCann's situation ever been convicted of neglect in the UK?
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I don't believe so, but at the risk of sounding inflammatory it was not uncommon for parents to do what the McCanns did at the time. A lot of this seems to be selective faux outrage at the notion of a parent leaving a child alone for a short time while they were nearby. It was certainly common amongst me, my friends and many other people I've spoken to for a parent to nip out somewhere and leave the child alone. In fact if we're going to be completely fair, I'm not sure anybody could successfully argue that leaving a child in a locked building alone while you ate nearby was more dangerous than letting them play outside on their own in the open air and out of reach where any random stranger has immediate access to them without having to break in but yet that's something that's considered normal. It seems that because they got hit by a tragedy, the scrutiny that normally wouldn't be applied to another parent got directed at them at a much more exaggerated rate.
If you let your child play in the garden while you do chores and they get snatched can you also be blamed? Because I'd wager the majority of parents in the country do this on a regular basis. At least they certainly did when I was young, you saw it everywhere. That's also an even more likely scenario than what happened here which was locking them in a more secure place that then got broken into.
It's one thing letting them play in the garden while you're home, it's another to leave them in the house while you go out for dinner. What if the place went up in flames?
I've never heard of anyone doing this. Leaving your 3 year old kids home alone is a daft thing to do at anytime, and definitely not common where I'm from.
Not to mention drugging them in the process.
feck the McCanns. They've gotten away scot-free for a horrendous parenting decision.
feck the McCanns. They've gotten away scot-free for a horrendous parenting decision.
It's not really that much different. If anything what they did is safer. Let's take away stigma and bias and look at it objectively. In one situation they're left out in the open and out of sight (common practice and considered normal) and in the other situation they're locked away somewhere that is inherently more secure and still out of sight (seen as the worst parenting thing you could do and you should have your kids taken away). Whether you're home or not is irrelevant, they're out of sight and so the risk factor is the same. If you can't see them but you're 20 feet away and still completely unaware then that's not any safer.
The one that's considered normal is objectively more dangerous. Yet it's commonplace, because people don't generally go around stealing children. Because of this unfortunate tragedy, a lot more is being made of it than otherwise would. It's further complicated by the age of internet outrage and 20/20 hindsight decision making with the immediate casting of blame/ostracisation of people for making mistakes that other people make regularly.
How far away were the parents?
Zar mate, this must be one of very few occasions that I disagree with you (regarding Caf topics) - you can't claim objectivity then load your post with assumptions and biases.
50 yards according to The Guardian, 120 metres according to the Mail.
I'm happy to acknowledge the assumptions of biases if you point them out, it made sense to me what I said in my head but if it's wrong it's wrong.
* The straining to give the benefit of the doubt - 'truth is, most decent parents simply wouldn't have left the children in the apartment.
* The assumption that the faux-outrage factor explains away genuine emotion: people are always going to react strongly when it comes to children's welfare, regardless of whipped-up sentiment from outside.
* The assumption that the faux-outrage factor explains away genuine emotion: people are always going to react strongly when it comes to children's welfare, regardless of whipped-up sentiment from outside.
I remember getting caned in an earlier thread on this subject for voicing the same views that are being mentioned in this one.