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So? Is that worth the suitability to a low block, refusal to run / being useless at winning duels, having poor football intelligence and being hopeless in 2 out of 3 seasons, all while being paid 300/350K a week? Obviously not.It’s not ‘overthinking’, I’ve seen him play far better than he is now. And so have you.
Rashford does have a tendency to score in the big games, I’ll give him that. He’s also proven to more often than not be piss poor outside of goals. The Hazard comparison is a funny one. Being more clinical (the odd season ,that too) is more valuable than every other asset a footballer can have? You’d actually take Rashford over Hazard? Which one has been part of major trophy wins? Who helps the team play half decent football? Definitely not the guy with very little football intelligence. Would be typically of us to dream of great football while actively latching on to footballers who don’t facilitate but hinder that.And it isn’t about one night in Paris. He’s scored 3 at the World Cup just last season. He’s scored a ridiculous amount of goals home and away against the very best teams in England for years. In addition to Barca. In addition to Paris. He’s scored the goals us to the final in the EL. These are testaments to mentality/balls more than anything else. It takes more than just talent to step up on big stages, it takes responsibility. You need players who can stand up and be counted when needed, and he has done that plenty in his career where some players can only score goals against Sheffield. Not everyone is a ‘big player’. I don’t see Eden Hazard as a ‘CL semi-final winner in the Nou Camp’ guy, for example, he’s just not a killer like that.
Every football can do everhthing - it’s about how often and how successfully they can do it at the highest level. Rashford has been here for around 8 years now and if you haven’t sussed out the sort of footballer is by now, then that is worrisome. His dribbling has always been unreliable and dependent on trial and error / hot steaks of form, rather than genuine excellence. His passing and general intelligence (barring movement which can be good) on the pitch is poor. And he is as bad a footballer as I’ve ever seen - off the ball - at United. All of that make him highly unsuited to possession football and is the reason for his bottom level being so absurdly low with him consistently running brainlessly into traffic and playing nothing passes. What he can do the one odd time is not really as relevant as the entire picture.This idea that Rashford can only kick and run into 30 yards of space is false too. He’s shown, time and again, when he’s on it, that he can dribble and use footwork to go past defenders.
I’ll help you with that confusion - the same thing that happened to him in the season before the last one making it two out of three dumpster fire seasons, not “last three games” whatever random term you want to hurl about to try and weaken arguments you don’t actually have responses to.I have no idea what has happened to him this season. Fans famously can’t look further than your last game or 3 anyway. Clearly, I’m mot arguing that he’s been ‘utter dross this season’. I’m talking about him as a man and a player, and what the best level that can be extracted from him is. You have decided, by the looks of things, that you will, in all your rage and fury use the worst you have ever seen him play as the best level that can be extracted. I believe, due to the fact that he’s not been injured and is not old - that the best I’ve seen him play is the best that he’s capable of.
Wrong. I would think it’s a more nuanced decision to make if he wasn’t A) absolutely pathetic in his effort levels and off the ball qualities B) unsuited to the way a big club should play C) an extremely daft player on the pitch D) paid a fortune. If it’s just form, a bad patch, most people would support and stand by Rashford - they’d still be critical of his quality but more open minded. It’s the effort levels that have turned many against him and imo that’s a deal breaker now (or at least I hope it will be).The above does not mean that I think we MUST keep him. That will depend on our confidence as to whether he will return to his best or not, which requires an understanding of why he is playing as he is now (unless of course, we bizarrely just think this is the best he can do, despite evidence to the contrary). If we feel he is done here, then of course I want him out, as this season’s standard is nowhere near acceptable to me. Last season’s is though, so if that’s still in him at United, then I more than welcome it, as to replace it, we would need to buy players that we simply cannot buy this summer.
You would call it ‘overthinking’ because the ridiculously simplistic way to look at it is ‘he’s playing shit now, so he is shit, don’t over complicate’. Shit players can’t do what he did last season just because they ‘feel like it’. Antony can’t just decide to do it, he doesn’t have it.
The issue here is that he's mostly likely not referring to "abuse on Twitter" in isolation. Only reason they are on such platforms are most likely due to marketing which is taking into account when offering salaries such as his.Tweet
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For what it’s worth. I’m with him on this. Bell ends abusing him on Twitter can go feck themselves. But I also wonder why the feck he keeps using the poxy platform? So easy to step away.
What a strange little comment to make.There is a pattern. When overhyped, overpaid players fail to deliver and get criticism for it, they play the racism card.
And Rashy is media darling too..
Harry Maguire dealt with vicious, over the top hatred and abuse by being top professional and doing his job.
The likes of Rashford, Martial and Pogba before them, go for the safe "they hate me cuz I'm black" route.
Sorry what part of that is him playing the 'racism card'? He just said it's abuse. You have no idea what kind of treatment he's gotten either on socials/DMs or in person.There is a pattern. When overhyped, overpaid players fail to deliver and get criticism for it, they play the racism card.
And Rashy is media darling too..
Harry Maguire dealt with vicious, over the top hatred and abuse by being top professional and doing his job.
The likes of Rashford, Martial and Pogba before them, go for the safe "they hate me cuz I'm black" route.
He needs to have a profile on Twitter. What he doesn’t need to do is manage the account himself. With everything that’s gone on this season, it just seems mad that he wouldn’t take a break from social media and let his team take over. If he wants to keep in touch with friends and manage his social life there’s still Snapchat/Whatsapp/Telegram/whatever.The issue here is that he's mostly likely not referring to "abuse on Twitter" in isolation. Only reason they are on such platforms are most likely due to marketing which is taking into account when offering salaries such as his.
The incessant PR assaults are a big part people are fed up of him. The ironyI wish he'd just shut up and get on with proving everyone wrong.
Just disable the social media accounts if it's so bad for his PR people
The incessant PR assaults are a big part people are fed up of him. The irony
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For what it’s worth. I’m with him on this. Bell ends abusing him on Twitter can go feck themselves. But I also wonder why the feck he keeps using the poxy platform? So easy to step away.
He doesn't know. He just hands it off to Phil Lynch and the rest of his PR team.Why black out his profile pic?
Abuse is different to criticismMany of the people saying he hasn’t received any abuse have likely left abusive messages about him on this forum & social media.
Nobody has suggested otherwise. Criticism, especially on a forum is fair enough, abuse imo isn’t.Abuse is different to criticism
Good point.The time of night, posted around 2am is more concerning.
Yea, knowing what some people are capable of doing, and are doing frequently, I am certain that Rashford has received vitriol, racism, personal attacks and even threats that no amount of unmerited salary or motivational issues can merit. The people writing and shouting stuff like that are certainly a bigger problem in the world than a millionaire refusing to track back or enter a physical duel in an entertainment sports.I'm sure he's received disgusting abuse, twitter is a cesspit , and no doubt you've got cnuts maybe shouting stuff at him when he's just out and about with his family or whatever.
In terms of criticism though, criticism about his football specifically, he has deserved it. He's been absolutely appalling this season, just as he was in 21/22. It's now 2 out of the last 3 seasons he's been a waste of space. Strolling around the pitch.
It's increasingly clear it would be better for everyone if he was sold.
Rashford is getting abuse for shit performances and attitude. It's not comparable to Beckham, the whole country and media hated him for a petulant moment of 2 secondsIs he getting the amount of real life abuse Beckham got post 1998? This will be an unpopular opinion, but online abuse is not really abuse for a 27 year old man. I can understand if you're a teenage school kid, but an adult man (especially a multi millionaire) can switch off the phone and live in the real world with his friends and family.
marcus is acting like a victim again. He is being criticised for poor form this year. This is not “abuse” like he calls it. I think at this point, it is fair to say it is best for him and the club if he leaves.Does this guy ever stop crying?
One thing I give to Bruno is that he's not going on socials each time he stinks out the place which for Rashford is week in, week out
Gaslighting criticism as "abuse". I'm not saying he doesn't get abused, I'm sure he does. I'm sure every black player does and that's unacceptable and a separate issue.
The "abuse" he means is criticism of performance. Those 'Pimp my ride' videos. The fact fans at games are now getting on his back for his nonsense on the pitch. He's not making a point about the unacceptable and disgusting abuse by online trolls. This is about fans calling him out on his performances and he doesn't like it.
Yep.Criticism has been upgraded to abuse these days.
Why lie?The time of night, posted around 2am is more concerning.
Rashford can beat his man very often.Not everything was a fact. His footwork and dribbling have always been average. Just because he occasionally puts in a trick which gets him past a defender doesn't mean his dribbling was good. A good dribbler can average 3 dribbles a game.
His decision making is terrible. He makes his mind up before he tries whatever he wants to try, unless he's been stopped and he'll put in a hail mary pass (no matter how small the distance is). His control has always been average. His shooting technique is his best asset.
His game suits counter attacking sides. The big games are like that for United because United have largely been crap and other better teams pin us down.
Great point and one I wish many more people realised.The people writing and shouting stuff like that are certainly a bigger problem in the world than a millionaire refusing to track back or enter a physical duel in an entertainment sports.
12:30am isn't 2am tbf.The time of night, posted around 2am is more concerning.
I think also he didn’t play Wednesday, United played quite well and seemed liberated by his absence. That must be affecting his ego.
Abuse is wrong. But many players consider criticism of form or thinking they’re not good enough to be abuse.
Right but we're on a football forum. We're here to discuss football, not the ills of the world. This sentiment you have is why Rashford and his people are lumping criticism (of his footballing performances) and abuse together, to blur the lines between them, so they can defend him not being good value for the amount of money he earns at a football club.Great point and one I wish many more people realised.
You can highlight the word football all you like, I clearly wasn't speaking about the caf specifically, it was a comment about the amount of abuse he gets generally. Not what posters on red cafe think about Rashford's performances, but fair enough we're in the performance thread so maybe I should post it elsewhere.Right but we're on a football forum. We're here to discuss football, not the ills of the world. This sentiment you have is why Rashford and his people are lumping criticism (of his footballing performances) and abuse together, to blur the lines between them, so they can defend him not being good value for the amount of money he earns at a football club.
OkYou can highlight the word football all you like, I clearly wasn't speaking about the caf specifically, it was a comment about the amount of abuse he gets generally. Not what posters on red cafe think about Rashford's performances, but fair enough we're in the performance thread so maybe I should post it elsewhere.