But again, youre comparing 400m to 200m when one manager has been there longer, so of course he would have spent more. But Ole has finished above him twice.
Right, but I never said anything against that? I was pointing out when comparing the two jobs they've done that one has spent a lot more money. He was also able to spend 200m in his first summer, whereas Arteta had to wait until this summer to really overhaul the squad
Arsenal have not finished on par for the squad at all however. In fact they more than under achieved under him (helped by an FA cup win that gave him credit in the bank)
The Arsenal squad he inherited was awful, Emery had done well to get 5th, but they were incredibly luck to do so. At the end of the season they picked up 7 points from 21, and carried that form into the next season where in their opening 17 games, they had won 5, drew 7 and lost 5. They were in the bottom half of the table when Arteta took over.
I said all this at the time
He’s done well so far. I do think the football is pretty dire to watch, but the squad is fairly shite and I don’t think it’s a bad call to be more pragmatic while he tries to mould the squad into something that he feels can become a little more expansive and easier on the eye. Especially due to the circumstances when he took over.
I’m quoting you but there’s a few who share your sentiments. I think you’re pretty badly mistaken here. Not solely on the topic of Arteta, but the idea that a manager won’t deviate from a certain style depending on the makeup of the squad he has. It’s patently untrue.
I can’t say if the media treats one club better than the other, but I think it’s a stretch to say the situations at the club aren’t too dissimilar. How many Arsenal players would start for United?
Ive brought this up before. People are judging Arsenal by the name, not the actual quality of their players. How many Arsenal players would get in at United? Saka on the right probably, maybe Aubameyang or Lacazette up top. Ole has clearly done a better job but he has been their longer and inherited a better team (not to detract from his team building and the good work he’s done in shifting players and buying players). It’s easily the worst Arsenal squad I’ve ever known and Arteta hasn’t really been given much room to manoeuvre in the transfer market. Partey is one signing, and it’s not been a good first season but he’s had injury troubles and we can look to the likes of Fred to see that first seasons can be tricky and not always representative of the player. For marquee signings that’s been about it.
Not that Arteta shouldn’t be criticised, bar a short spell earlier this year the football has often been pretty dire and he desperately needs to improve on that. There are managers with worse squads who are playing a more distinct, easy on the eye football than Arteta is managing. Graham Potter is still relatively inexperienced at the highest level but I’d rather watch his Brighton most weeks over Arsenal.
If hypothetically he wins the Europa that’ll be two trophies in a season and a half. I don’t think cups are a very good sign of progress but it’s still silverware, even if it’s less flying and more falling in style.
It's why the board have kept faith when everyone was calling for his head. They were fully aware of how difficult it was going to be to turn this side around, especially as they had to wait until this summer to overhaul the squad. The problems were severe and when you look back through this thread, I find it weird how so few people took these issues into account when judging him. Even now we're only a few months into his second full season and there are posters calling him utterly shite etc
When Ole took over United, there was talk of needing a complete overhaul. Again, on this very forum. The squad now is superior to what Ole inherited. Ole is under achieving this season no doubt, but can we say that in terms of league and even some of the cups last few years?
Whereas Arsenal have completely under achieved since Arteta has been there. All this talk about progress for his Arsenal and rejuvinating the squad is exactly what Ole has done.
I know it wasnt you, but the whole hes 100x better than Ole is nonsense in this thread too.
As I posted above, people massively overestimated the side he took over, I mean if you look at their recent run not a single player from his back 5 was here when he took over.
Ole did have to overhaul the squad, but even with that caveat it was superior to the Arsenal one, if you asked people on here at the time I'm sure 99% would vote in favour of the United side. Add on to that being given 200m to spend in his first summer and it's a completely different job in terms of rebuilding a side.
I agree that there's no merit to that last sentence, but I think the notion that the jobs Arteta and Ole took on were comparable is definitely untrue imo, and as posted above I argued that at the time. It's why posts like these
Giving him more time won't change anything. He's in his third season. How it is now is how it is going to be. A few good wins and the odd great game will interchange with a few disappointing draws or defeats. His Arsenal are sometimes quite good, often poor, but never consistently great. And that's not what I think, that's the reality of what's been happening.
Why would he turn into a better manager than he has shown to be, if he's given more time? He won't. This is it.
And what criteria would a club use to upgrade on him... what a bizarre question when we're talking about Arteta. How about hiring someone with a good record, instead of someone with no record at all?
Simply ignore all context of the side that he took over. And now that he's been given money this summer and the club is looking more consistent as we go a couple months into his second full season it just feels that a lot of these evaluations were either unaware of the difficulties of the job or just dismissed them.
