very goodMoyes to appoint Neville, Round and others
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Bit of an overreaction by some people I think. We had to expect that some of the backroom staff would be changed now that we have a new manager. Sure we lose some united experience in the process, but it is hardly the end of the world. I'd prefer Moyes to have people around him that know how to get the best out of people in Moye's systems than people that are trying to learn a new manager style and coach at the same time.
Plus we have lost four people, none of which we really know exactly what their actual day to day role involves. How many staff are staying on? plenty I would bet. So the experience of winning and all that will still be with the club.
The only possibly negative I can get from this news report is Neville being thrown right into the deep end. But then I doubt he will be given a high up job to start with, and will just be another coach. Even then people have been calling for Scholes to get straight into the coaching, so why the worry about Neville doing it, purely because he isn't a current united player.
All this backroom staff stuff should really be ignored by us fans. We don't know how the clubs are run, or what position does what or how. So lets just wait and see what happens. If we drop down the ladder, then we can start complaining about all these changes, until then I'm going to view them as necessary changes by Moyes for him to get the most out of the team.
Plus we have lost four people, none of which we really know exactly what their actual day to day role involves. How many staff are staying on? plenty I would bet. So the experience of winning and all that will still be with the club.
The only possibly negative I can get from this news report is Neville being thrown right into the deep end. But then I doubt he will be given a high up job to start with, and will just be another coach. Even then people have been calling for Scholes to get straight into the coaching, so why the worry about Neville doing it, purely because he isn't a current united player.
All this backroom staff stuff should really be ignored by us fans. We don't know how the clubs are run, or what position does what or how. So lets just wait and see what happens. If we drop down the ladder, then we can start complaining about all these changes, until then I'm going to view them as necessary changes by Moyes for him to get the most out of the team.
Do any of these guys coming in have much experience with European football?
Yes. Phil Neville played 263 games for Manchester United.
10 quid says we go for tim cahill from Sydney next; to give us some midfield options.
Or wherever he is now
Or wherever he is now
To be fair, it's not like Evertons scouts have been huge disappointments over the last few years. They have made some cracking acquisitions with the likes of Jelavic and Fellaini - who, like it or not, has been an incredibly effective player for them.
It's also nice to see Phil Neville coming home, hopefully his brother will follow suit.
My main disappointment is Rene leaving, but on the balance of things we can't expect everything to stay the same like this. If we expect Moyes to stick around for a long time then he needs to have full control over his back room team. I could understand if it was only an interim position that we wouldn't want him making any changes to long serving staff, but Moyes will be around for a while.
It's also nice to see Phil Neville coming home, hopefully his brother will follow suit.
My main disappointment is Rene leaving, but on the balance of things we can't expect everything to stay the same like this. If we expect Moyes to stick around for a long time then he needs to have full control over his back room team. I could understand if it was only an interim position that we wouldn't want him making any changes to long serving staff, but Moyes will be around for a while.
Plays for NY, mind you
Did you delete my white text, or did i not edit it in in time?
Wait, so Moyes isn't going to don a rubber Fergie mask and just take up his place in the dugout hoping no one notices?
Can we cancel the contract?
Knew we should have got Mourinho, he wouldn't have touched the backroom team, and we'd get Ronaldo.
Can we cancel the contract?
Knew we should have got Mourinho, he wouldn't have touched the backroom team, and we'd get Ronaldo.
Plays as a #10 as well. Fellaini problems all over again.
Too quick I think :P
Retire him early. He can be a coach. He can teach Phil Jones how to head the ball. Hell, he can teach everyone how to head the ball.
Tim Cahill has a remarkable bonce.
As long as we don't start the season like Everton usually do.
Two ways of looking at this. Personally, I think it's a bad move, but Moyes has to stamp his own mark on things if he is going to succeed at United, and this is a step in the right direction in that respect. Signings like Felaini, Jelavic and even Baines turned out to be quality additions; especially when you consider the budget they had to work with. They can obviously spot a good player, and with the extra funds available, hopefully that can be continued.
What I will say is that the relentless streak that we had has now gone to some extent. People often fail to appreciate just how important these men leaving we're to the football club, and the role they played behind the scenes. We are talking about experienced coaches who know the club inside out, and most importantly, what it takes to be a winner. They knew what had to be done in every situation, and although Moyes is a decent coach, he lacks that, and the pressure is now on the likes of Giggs, Ferdinand etc.. to keep those standards up, and to make sure we keep them going.
What I will say is that the relentless streak that we had has now gone to some extent. People often fail to appreciate just how important these men leaving we're to the football club, and the role they played behind the scenes. We are talking about experienced coaches who know the club inside out, and most importantly, what it takes to be a winner. They knew what had to be done in every situation, and although Moyes is a decent coach, he lacks that, and the pressure is now on the likes of Giggs, Ferdinand etc.. to keep those standards up, and to make sure we keep them going.
Tbf I'd say Phil Neville knows Utd pretty well.
As long as he doesn't persuade Gary to come out of retirement.
I'd be very pleased with Phil coming in.
So long as he sticks to coaching and doesn't do a Scholes.
Certainly don't want "Midfield Crisis. Phil Neville given the #22 shirt" pinging across the bottom of Sky Sports News in yellow.
Certainly don't want "Midfield Crisis. Phil Neville given the #22 shirt" pinging across the bottom of Sky Sports News in yellow.
Absolutely. Along with Pat Rice they are the dogs bollocks. Glowing endorsement if ever there was one.
All managers want their own backroom staff. Fergie brought Archie Knox and co from Aberdeen. It's hardly something to get hysterical about.
Is Scholes staying on as a coach?
feck that, we could have had Sven Goran Eriksson in charge at United...so there's no complaints from me.
He's not fat
He's Round
He shits from
High off the ground
He's Round
He shits from
High off the ground
you already posted that on the first page and it wasn't remotely funny then.
.... So much for United being a 'family' club where everyone knows their names from the tea lady to the Gov.
Rene and Martin Ferguson looks like they were leaving anyway irrespective whether Moyes wants them or not.
Was he? I have never about that. If true, it should hopefully calm the need to press panic buttons.
Despite what people may thing, Manchester United hasn't invented coaching. Some good coaches are out there. Some of them, shock and horror, may be better than ours. The new ideas may actually be positive as well.
I know it's a shock to the system because we're so used to complete stability, but this is the thing that happens when a new manager arrives. In many cases it's a whole clear out.
I know it's a shock to the system because we're so used to complete stability, but this is the thing that happens when a new manager arrives. In many cases it's a whole clear out.
According to the reports, Moyes rates him and wanted him to stay but Rene wants another try at management. Fair play to the guy and its natural that now Fergie is leaving, he wants to try different things.
I think it's a good thing personally, it's a sign of intent from Moyes that he's not just going to rest on his laurels, he actually wants to impose himself on the club and build his own structure. Obviously it's not nice to see such long standing coaches go, but it was necessary.
Obviously Moyes is a lot more hands on during training sessions which is why it makes sense in a way that we are letting Rene go.
By bringing in P.Nev I think he is trying to instill some continuity, yes he has been away from the club for quite a while but he still knows how things were run on a day to day basis under the gaffer and we have got to remember that we have still got Giggs and Scholes who I am sure Moyes will use in some capacity.
It's natural to feel a little uneasy with so many changes happening at once after years of little to no change but we honestly don't know how things will pan out and who knows it might turn out to be a masterstroke.
As far as the scout changes are concerned I am quite excited by it, our current scouting system has hardly pulled up any trees in terms of identifying unknown rough diamonds recently have they?
If you look at our signings over the past five years, how many players have we signed and thought "who are they", let's be honest 99% of the signings we have made could have been identified by anyone of us.
By bringing in P.Nev I think he is trying to instill some continuity, yes he has been away from the club for quite a while but he still knows how things were run on a day to day basis under the gaffer and we have got to remember that we have still got Giggs and Scholes who I am sure Moyes will use in some capacity.
It's natural to feel a little uneasy with so many changes happening at once after years of little to no change but we honestly don't know how things will pan out and who knows it might turn out to be a masterstroke.
As far as the scout changes are concerned I am quite excited by it, our current scouting system has hardly pulled up any trees in terms of identifying unknown rough diamonds recently have they?
If you look at our signings over the past five years, how many players have we signed and thought "who are they", let's be honest 99% of the signings we have made could have been identified by anyone of us.
Is this confirmed yet or just paper talk still¿
Over the last five seasons United have made twenty-four signings:
De Leat, Ljajic, Tosic, Berbatov
Pogba, Diouf, Obertan, Owen, Valencia
Lindegaard, Bebe, Virmijl, Hernandez, Smalling
Scholes, Young, de Gea, Jones
Buttner, Henriquez, van Persie, Goss, Kagawa, Powell
Of those, fifteen I hadn't heard of before hearing of United's interest. That's 63% I hadn't heard of.
When you say 'let's be honest' in the above post, do you really mean 'let's exaggerate'?
Phil nev coming back is a good thing. Not too chuffed with Rene going but we can't stop him if he wants to.
I for one think it's exciting. Those guys did a pretty good job with fairly limited finanicial resources at Everton. They will be hungry for success. This makes me look forward to the new season. Nice to hear Phil comes back as well, hopefully he'll do a good job, he's the only one new to the coaching stuff but I'm sure hell make it.
And this is why I don't have a problem with replacing our scout. We had our fair share of shit transfers over the years as well, so don't know what the fuss is all about.
Whats the big deal? Fergie has changed his assistants and backroom staff several times?
Knox, Kidd, McClaren, Carlos, Smith, Carlos, Phelan
new eyes, new ideas
Round comes highly recommended as one of the top young coaches around, similar to the reputation McClaren was getting at Derby before Fergie got him
Woods was a good goalkeeper in his day, i'm sure that DeGea can learn from him
Phil, one of our own. No coaching experience? Who knows what he was doing unofficially at Everton? none of us, thats for sure. If Moyes does give him the job, then he has confidence in his ability. And if he's anything like his brother, he will be a very switched on lad anyway.
Chill out ffs people, enjoy your summer. Its going to be an interesting season!
Knox, Kidd, McClaren, Carlos, Smith, Carlos, Phelan
new eyes, new ideas
Round comes highly recommended as one of the top young coaches around, similar to the reputation McClaren was getting at Derby before Fergie got him
Woods was a good goalkeeper in his day, i'm sure that DeGea can learn from him
Phil, one of our own. No coaching experience? Who knows what he was doing unofficially at Everton? none of us, thats for sure. If Moyes does give him the job, then he has confidence in his ability. And if he's anything like his brother, he will be a very switched on lad anyway.
Chill out ffs people, enjoy your summer. Its going to be an interesting season!