3 behind City and 4 behind chelsea is hardly out of it
Panic Station
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
The fact Sir Alex thinks he's good enough doesn't count for anything, then? Or you're just saying it was purely a case of cronyism?
Other results have "favored" us today. Today's result was unacceptable but its encouraging that other title contenders are dropping points left and right as well. I just hope we're able to find that run of form where we can pull off 8-10 wins in a row. I know it doesn't look likely at the moment with Moyes but if there was ever a time to have shit form, its right now at the start of the season. Surely things can only improve from hereon forth.
It's not that SAF was a God and always right though. If I am not mistaken he predicted bright futures for Fat Sam and McLeish.
Moyes needs to be judged by the team performances and results. I don't think that he should be sacked today but neither we need to give him three years (if we continue being so poor) just because SAF recommended him.
Fergie never made a bad signing?
The problem was not as much as Fergie recommened Moyes but Moyes making too many changes at once. I maintain the succession planning was awfully managed by the club.
My bad, I thought you were writing us off. Personally, I don't think there's any doubt that the huge changes that have taken place are bound to destabilize us short term. I'm still hopeful we'll win the title but we won't know the potential of the new men in the key positions for a long time yet.
Title race? It the start of the season ffs! Needs work, I'm disappointed too, but have not lost hope yet.
Title doesn't have to go to one of the top 3 from last season.
It's still too soon. Season before last, Wigan beat us at OT.
And the minute a player has a good/bad game (strike out whichever is applicable) they're amazing/rubbish. Regardless of what was said after previous games.
But it's not just down to Moyes. We've been in decline for a while, despite winning the league last year. Teams aren't frightened of United any more.
And the minute a player has a good/bad game (strike out whichever is applicable) they're amazing/rubbish. Regardless of what was said after previous games.
But it's not just down to Moyes. We've been in decline for a while, despite winning the league last year. Teams aren't frightened of United any more.
And who else, Arsenal, Spurs? You really think so?
It was an away game, not in OT.
And I also am not found of these type of comparisons. Yes, we lost sometimes, sometimes against even shit teams, sometime we got humiliated, sometime we played bad and sometime we didn't score. In the quarter of century SAF was the manager sometime happened these things.
But if all of these things happens in the first 6 games then it's worrying.
We're gonna be 8 pts behind Arse
Is it very early, you are right, but Arsenal will be 8 points in front at end of play today and I don't care how good we are, that is a lot of catching up to do. Fair enough, people will probably dismiss Arsenal's title chances after recent years and look at City, or Chelsea as a barometer. But atm, Arsenal and Spurs are the teams to beat for me.
Yeah I know he's not. I was really referring to Chelsea's managerial appointments and the person who has the biggest input for them. For me Moyes has always been the right man and I'll stand by him and SAF seems to think so too.
totally agree with you. my prior post was sarcastic.
When did Wigan beat you at OT?
Was it not last season?
This is the stat that worries me most. They are a top side with some real quality. Idiots on here dismissing them are just clueless.
My mistake.
But we did get beaten at OT by someone we shouldn't have, didn't we? Mind, my brain could just be completely addled.
we Are 8 points behind, fact
What worries me most is that we seem didn't play with any strength at all.
I agree. arsenal seem to be up there this season, whether we like it or not. A better start will only give them more motivation to go harder.
Fergie was the master of wholesale changes. And they didn't always work.
Blackburn, but we had an injury/disciplinary crisis and played Rafael alongside Park in central midfield.
Other than Spurs at home Arsenal have had a really easy start to the season, not taking anything away from their run but they have to play City, Chelsea and ourselves yet surely the gap wont be 8 points at that stage.
I know we have played had periods under SAF when we were dire to watch, but we always had something about our play that you just had a sneaky feeling we could turn it around. I can't remember when I've watched a united side play so utter garbage, as they have this far this season. Good players are looking average at best and decent players don't even look like league 1 standard. I fear for Moyes because that is going to be one strong dressing room and if it goes, it will be gone in no time.
Am I at panic stations....probably, yes. If we fail to make top 4 this season it would be horrendous. Watching Spurs, Arsenal play so far, I would say they are better sides. No one will be scared of playing us.
Not a knee jerk, just an honest observation.
Am I at panic stations....probably, yes. If we fail to make top 4 this season it would be horrendous. Watching Spurs, Arsenal play so far, I would say they are better sides. No one will be scared of playing us.
Not a knee jerk, just an honest observation.
Good post, mate. I know I stated that I believe Moyes has a favoured XI - and still do - but I find myself agreeing with the points you've raised, too.
The chickens are indeed coming home to roost now from years of negligence/genius from the manager, depending on how you view the situation. A bit of both is the truth, I think. Fergie was a maelstrom of a manager, somebody whose sheer iron-will ruthlessly dragged us into contention when the swuad we had didn't really merit it. Moyes has stepped into a red-hot cauldron after a rather disappointing summer transfer window (Fergie asked us to support our new manager. Were the Glazers listening?) and the same deficiencies are still apparent; relying on ageing centre-backs, central midfield non-existent, and persisting with attackers who, in some cases are are woefully out of form, and others inexplicably being deemed United quality.
These problems have existed long before Moyes, yes. But he's had time to decide on his best team and he's shown that he's culpable of weird selections and even more bizarre substitutions. That's what I am judging him on; not the other issues beyond his control.
I believe he'll turn it around eventually, and his confidence will increase over time, but he's been far too cautious in the opening six weeks of the season. Now that we have to throw the shackles off, as such, it'll be interesting to see how he manages it.
The Art of War says the biggest mistake is to underestimate your enemy. We have loads here who still believe we're far superior to the likes of Arse, Spurs & Liverpool. We are not. Just because we're Manchester United doesn't mean Titles will fall magically from the sky. Of course we're not going to dominate every year but the board will be extremely foolish not to learn from history, especially Liverpool's example. I really hope these defeats will make some at the club wake up.
Why not? As long as Chelsea, United and City struggle no one's going to assign 25 extra points to them by default so that they can get away with being poor. None of those three teams have appeared to be remotely capable of winning the title at any point so far, quite the contrary in fact.
I know mate that's why I said I liked what you did with the post. I thought the sarcasm nicely made the point.
ah got it. anyways, hopefully we shake this crazy/shitty period off....and quick!
Spurs, I doubt, but why is Arsenal winning the title so far fetched? If injuries don't bother them, I think they could do it, they have a pretty thin squad in quality though.
Hello! Mind if I join you guys?
Nice and cosy place you've got here, Cunto.
Nice and cosy place you've got here, Cunto.
In fairness, Fergie has form.
Of all the world's managers, the job goes to SAF's pal, and a fellow Scot.
Hmm.
You've dropped just 5 points and have Cristiano Ronaldo. Wish we were in that much trouble.
Said when we appointed him he was the wrong man and now it's even more apparent. Moyes. Out
I can't believe I'm actually reading people seriously suggesting that Moyes is sacked. Oh dear.
We played poorly today and the result was a real bad one, and both Moyes and the players will be well aware of that fact. However, not only is it early days in the league season, it's early days for Moyes at the club - irrespective of how poor we've been so far, keep in mind that Chelsea and City have each been awful too. I'm not "expecting" us to win the title - I don't think anyone ever "expects" us to win it, but we do expect to be challenging for it - and I think come May we will be there or there abouts.
Regardless of whether you think Moyes is good enough for the job, or if you said from the beginning that it should have been someone else, the players and the manager deserve better support than they have received so far. It pained me to hear boo's ringing around Old Trafford at full time today, absolutely shocking - we are not Chelsea.
Before the start of the season, we mostly all agreed on how things would go; Moyes would need time to settle in and that success may not come immediately. Everyone talked the talk, now it's time to walk the walk.
We played poorly today and the result was a real bad one, and both Moyes and the players will be well aware of that fact. However, not only is it early days in the league season, it's early days for Moyes at the club - irrespective of how poor we've been so far, keep in mind that Chelsea and City have each been awful too. I'm not "expecting" us to win the title - I don't think anyone ever "expects" us to win it, but we do expect to be challenging for it - and I think come May we will be there or there abouts.
Regardless of whether you think Moyes is good enough for the job, or if you said from the beginning that it should have been someone else, the players and the manager deserve better support than they have received so far. It pained me to hear boo's ringing around Old Trafford at full time today, absolutely shocking - we are not Chelsea.
Before the start of the season, we mostly all agreed on how things would go; Moyes would need time to settle in and that success may not come immediately. Everyone talked the talk, now it's time to walk the walk.
Both Bayern and Barca kept the majority of their backroom staff whilst we did not. Barca and Bayern kept the previous assistant coach with the incoming manager adding their own assistant coach making 2 assistant coaches.
Well, considering most title campaigns are built on an excellent home record... the fact that we've gained 4 points from a potential 9 points with 3 incredibly uninspiring performances would be a worry.
However, as I didn't really expect us to win the league this year, I'm not in panic mode over that... in fact, I largely expect going to Old Trafford won't be as smooth sailing as it has been and we'll have a few more days like today.
This is what it's like supporting a normal club I think...
However, as I didn't really expect us to win the league this year, I'm not in panic mode over that... in fact, I largely expect going to Old Trafford won't be as smooth sailing as it has been and we'll have a few more days like today.
This is what it's like supporting a normal club I think...