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PARK-A true unsung hero
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Well, it's not as if Park's suddenly a nailed on starter. That's why we have a big squad with different types of players. They each have a different role to carry out against various teams. Against physical premier league sides without much flair, I doubt you'd start Park. He will be great against certain teams but not every team. Let's be honest, he's not a Rooney type player you'd want to start for every game. He's good at selected roles and against selected teams. A great squad player to have.
Good post.
Some people do get carried away with the role of Park. He's effective with some teams and ineffective with others. All that makes him is a good and vital squad member.
He was superb in that more advance central role. He's always been an intelligent footballer and he could use that quality to full effect in that role. I hope he plays there in future games.
Also, it was amazing seeing the likes of Park, Valencia and Nani tracking back getting in tackles and the Milan attacking force standing still when they lost the ball. It one end of the spectrum to the other!
Also, it was amazing seeing the likes of Park, Valencia and Nani tracking back getting in tackles and the Milan attacking force standing still when they lost the ball. It one end of the spectrum to the other!
Rooney was great, But Park was the key.
Wayne Rooney brought back to earth as Sir Alex Ferguson claims Ji-sung Park is Manchester United's real hero | Mail Online
Wayne Rooney brought back to earth as Sir Alex Ferguson claims Ji-sung Park is Manchester United's real hero | Mail Online
If he does it against Chelsea or Barca, I'll be really impressed. Slow, languid, and Pirlo-centric Milan are almost tailored to bring out Park's strengths.
I have to hand it to Fergie, there was a point when I really didn't think Park had much to offer in an attacking sense (he had gone almost a year without scoring), but that was when he played on the wings. In this new liberated role he really has began to shine. Love the work rate, love the confidence and love the new park.
It's always been hard to criticize a player who gives 110%, but now he's really began to express himself and prove integral to our style to play. Long may it continue!
It's always been hard to criticize a player who gives 110%, but now he's really began to express himself and prove integral to our style to play. Long may it continue!
He's already done it against Barca, he was different class against them in the semi-final, the season before last. SAF said at the time that leaving him out of the final was one of the hardest decisions he's ever made.
In fact, Park has been consistently excellent in Europe (apart from the most recent CL final when our entire team was shite) which is why it bugs me that so many people in this thread are claiming that yesterday's performance came out of the blue and represents something we've never seen from him before in a United shirt.
Exactly - it's actually an anomaly when we don't get a good solid performance from Park like in the CL final. He's done it against so many teams over and over. There will always be a new "great team" but, he doesn't need to go out and prove he can do the business each time. He does the business and it is in whatever role the manager puts him in.
watched the game at 4am in a hotel bar in China .... they were all dead chuffed that an Asian had made such an impact on the game.
Have always loved Park. And I dont think he is under rated anymore. Ever since he played in the CL semifinal in 2008 (and was unfairly left out of the final squad for Moscow), its been clear that he has developed into a quality proposition.
The perfect dependable, flexible squad player who has such a high temperament and such belief and quality, he just never lets you down. Selfless, a running machine and has added an extra attacking dimension to his game this season. Sure, he may not be a match winner every game, but I cant remember many games that he has played badly in.
MoM by far last night.
Have always loved Park. And I dont think he is under rated anymore. Ever since he played in the CL semifinal in 2008 (and was unfairly left out of the final squad for Moscow), its been clear that he has developed into a quality proposition.
The perfect dependable, flexible squad player who has such a high temperament and such belief and quality, he just never lets you down. Selfless, a running machine and has added an extra attacking dimension to his game this season. Sure, he may not be a match winner every game, but I cant remember many games that he has played badly in.
MoM by far last night.
He played on the wing that tie, didn't he? And if memory serves me correctly, he was a combined fourteen inches away from a goal and an assist in the second leg at home. But I digress. I meant I'd be impressed if he puts on a midfield-roaming-soul-reaving-devastation-Xavi-and-Iniesta-curled-up-in-fetal-position-alongside-Pirlo performance like he against Milan. Actually, I'd be really impressed if he did it against Chelsea. Against Barca I'd expect him to do well.
I am really impressed with Park's recent performances. Let's play him more on that attacking midfield role.
I somehow tend to agree with this. One good game and all his shite displays are forgotten..
Except it's not just "one good game". I mean, obviously.
Name them? I ask because I have forgotten them.
And it's not one good game but, if that's what you think has been happening then you are out of touch.
Park may not have had a lot of excellent/brilliant/spooge worthy games but, there are very few in that he is shyte. He will usually give you a good 7/10 performance.
Same goes with Valencia, he doesn't always light up the stadium but, gives you very solid, consistent performances. Consistency is something we beg off from the likes of Nani and others. We beg SAF to play a consistent team because they give you consistent performances.
Park gives you that game in and game out - with the odd blip here and there of like a 4/10 perfomance.
Sitting in NT3 last night, I could really appreciate how good he was. Does anyone have the stats for how much ground he covered?
Had Pirlo completely in his back pocket and looked dangerous whenever he got the ball. It was an immense performance.
Had Pirlo completely in his back pocket and looked dangerous whenever he got the ball. It was an immense performance.
I think he's done well against chelsea... Didnt he even score a goal against them a couple of years back?
Scored the opening goal last season at SB when we should have won (the last game Hargo played for us) but, gave up a stupid header to Kalou from free-kick near half way line. We should have been the ones to break the record for not being beaten at home in the league - not the frackin dippers.
I'm not someone who would keep a diary on how someone played in particular games, so I'm not able to name you the games, but he let me down many times this season.
It's astonishing how he managed to fool most of you. His game is all about making an impression of giving a feck, when in fact he doesn't like the ball being at his feet at all. Most times he faces a good opportunity he panics. All he does good is falling down every time someone runs near him. Sometimes he has half-decent games like the Milan one and suddenly his presence in the team is justified. He's just a headless chicken, a shite player, not United standard, period.
As for Valencia, he is class above, don't even try to compare the two - he is so much quicker, he can create something out of nothing, while Park is just good at creating nothing out of something.
He's been MOTM in his last two starts, so obviously it's not just one good game.
And his last 4 big games have been against Milan twice, Arsenal and the CC final, he obviously was very good in at least three of this four.
Not sure why I'm even attempting to explain this, you're obviously blind.
And his last 4 big games have been against Milan twice, Arsenal and the CC final, he obviously was very good in at least three of this four.
Not sure why I'm even attempting to explain this, you're obviously blind.
- entitled to your opinion but, I have to say it's a hilarious one.Send this clueless gimp back to the newbies please.
This is a fecking embarassment to the forum.
But it's not hilarious is it ?
It's very very sad.
SAF thinks he is Utd standard and that's the opinion that counts. So far the manager has been right to pick him for the games he has and he hasn't let the team down. He'll never get you out of your seat Rooney/Ronaldo style but he does a job for the team pretty damn honestly.
Let's give him credit where it's due.
Objectivity is needed not constant negativity
Yeah, just because I don't share other people views.
I've seen Park enough times to have such opinion of him. If you don't agree with it - fair enough. I couldn't care less.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, some are just more right than others.
and some are just really fecking stupid
You haven't got a clue.
He seems to excel against the better sides.
Wow I just had a look in here and the spasticity of some posters has led me to instantly want to close this thread and never open it again.
ever seen him live?
It seems it has become a battle of who do you hate more 3Lung or MJ as an overarching theme on the caf. Who shall win...
I admire Park's commitment to the cause, and his work rate is second to none. He is a very good squad player in that he can come in every now and then, do a decent job and will never complain about not being in the team enough. And why would he? For a player with such limited ability hes very lucky to have found a place in the United squad.
He was signed as a winger. I was delighted when we signed Park because in the previous seasons Champions League I'd seen him almost single handedly take Milan apart. If one or two other PSV players played like him they would have gone through, but as it happened they were very unlucky to go out on the away goals rule.
Is he a winger though? His dribbling is poor. His crossing is poor. He's weak and is pushed off the ball very easily. For a so called winger he seems to lack all of the main qualities generally associated with that role. I don't think it would be wrong to say that the Park on our books is much different to the Park that played for PSV.
Can he play in the hole? Yes, but not in the conventional sense. When played in the hole for us it seems his main role is to shadow the opponents playmaker and disrupt his game. And supporting Rooney( or A N Other striker) seems to be a secondary role.
What annoys me about our fans though is the way Park is lauded for his workman like approach to the game, despite not possessing an ounce of the talent Nani does. 99% of posters here will rarely criticize Park even when he has a bad game because 'he worked hard'.
Nani works just as hard yet barely receives any credit. We've seen in the last month or so just how good a winger he can be. He's strong, he can go past players with ease, he's amazingly fast, he has an excellent long range shot and he's surprisingly good finisher from close range. Yet when he's having an off day people are on his back straight away. It's as if people are just waiting for him to fail so they can criticize him and in my view it's harsh. In the first half against Milan he was poor. He gave the ball away easily a few times early on, nothing he tried came off and he was generally a bit rubbish. I haven't read the matchday thread, but I imagine there were several posters calling for him to be subbed at half time. Then a minute into the second half he does something that Park could only dream of. An inch perfect pass with the outside of his foot to setup Rooney's second goal and put us in the comfort zone.
So maybe I am a little harsh on Park at times, but I'm a big fan of Nani and believe he should be afforded the same leighway that Park gets. He puts in just as much effort and if given enough time I believe he'll be an amazing player for us.
He was signed as a winger. I was delighted when we signed Park because in the previous seasons Champions League I'd seen him almost single handedly take Milan apart. If one or two other PSV players played like him they would have gone through, but as it happened they were very unlucky to go out on the away goals rule.
Is he a winger though? His dribbling is poor. His crossing is poor. He's weak and is pushed off the ball very easily. For a so called winger he seems to lack all of the main qualities generally associated with that role. I don't think it would be wrong to say that the Park on our books is much different to the Park that played for PSV.
Can he play in the hole? Yes, but not in the conventional sense. When played in the hole for us it seems his main role is to shadow the opponents playmaker and disrupt his game. And supporting Rooney( or A N Other striker) seems to be a secondary role.
What annoys me about our fans though is the way Park is lauded for his workman like approach to the game, despite not possessing an ounce of the talent Nani does. 99% of posters here will rarely criticize Park even when he has a bad game because 'he worked hard'.
Nani works just as hard yet barely receives any credit. We've seen in the last month or so just how good a winger he can be. He's strong, he can go past players with ease, he's amazingly fast, he has an excellent long range shot and he's surprisingly good finisher from close range. Yet when he's having an off day people are on his back straight away. It's as if people are just waiting for him to fail so they can criticize him and in my view it's harsh. In the first half against Milan he was poor. He gave the ball away easily a few times early on, nothing he tried came off and he was generally a bit rubbish. I haven't read the matchday thread, but I imagine there were several posters calling for him to be subbed at half time. Then a minute into the second half he does something that Park could only dream of. An inch perfect pass with the outside of his foot to setup Rooney's second goal and put us in the comfort zone.
So maybe I am a little harsh on Park at times, but I'm a big fan of Nani and believe he should be afforded the same leighway that Park gets. He puts in just as much effort and if given enough time I believe he'll be an amazing player for us.
You're quite right about Park , he's a very limited player who should be playing for Bolton (except they've probably got a better right winger). After a while you realise that the caf like running and putting it about - hence the big ups for the likes of Smith, Heinze, Park and Fletcher. Of course they immediately and co-incidentally, turn to shite once they leave
You've had digs at Fletcher and Park tonight, I find it amusing how both of those have more than helped put Arsenal to the sword on numerous occasions recently.
He doesn't have limited ability.
He's shown time and again he has the technical faculty to cut it at United, of all clubs. You're being incredibly harsh on him, completely and utterly wrong.
I'll agree that we should give Nani a break, but you don't have to insult a player to make your point. You don't play as many important games for Manchester United without having talent and ability, and in an argument of SAF vs you, he wins.
Park and Fletch were awesome last night, just like they were in the Champs League semi at the Emirates last year...certain players rise to the occasion in the BIG games..whereas some over-rated fops just disappear....Mmmmm think about it!
He does have limited ability though. United wingers are famed for being technically excellent. Kanchelskis, Ronaldo, Giggs, etc etc. Park is more known for his work rate and defensive ability. They're not generally what so called wingers are lauded for. Particularly United wingers.
I disagree that he has shown "He's shown time and again he has the technical faculty to cut it at United". He's proven to bea very good squad player, but again, it's his workrate and ability to be a nuisance to the opposition's playmakers that gets him onto the team sheet in the big European away games.
Case in point. He was excellent for us against Barca at Old Trafford in 07/08, again for his defensive qualities and workrate in closing down opposing payers. But when the final came along he was left out of the squad. Why? For all his commitment and desire he doesn't often provide end product. Nani on the other hand can have a relatively poor game and still contribute more to the attack than Park.
I don't insult Park to make a point. I genuinely believe he's a very limited footballer who gets far too much credit, while Nani - who beats Park in every attacking aspect - is vilified for a couple of poor crosses. The double standards are ridiculous.
At least I got an actual response other than "You're a dick" this time though. 
No one needed to be 'awesome' at Emirates last season since the game was over after 10 minutes. Despite our fullback slipping over Park, now unmarked in the box, miscontrolled horribly and nearly screwed the open goal.