Fans move from either saying "not hard to stand out in that team" to "get better players and they'll be better".......we need our best players to perform, Pogs is not surrounded by dross. The fact they've done nothing but perform as a unit for the past few months shows that. Pogs is not yet the consistent player we need, maybe never will be. Call it how it is instead of making up excuses for a man who was so below his standard it's unfair to his quality to remark anything else!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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You forget to mention I have an agenda against him.
I don't remember any example when we were playing pretty poor all around and he came with a moment of brilliance to save the match and the result. There are games when the whole team stepped up during the game and Pogba with them, but to be poor the entire game and Pogba saving us, and be the only player playing well, yeah don't remember.
His performance is following the team, when they step up, he steps up and when they are poor he's poor.
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There was not a single excuse in that. It's simple fact that Pogba struggles to play when he does not see the ball. And not once did I say that he was surrounded by dross. When our team looks completely inept you can be confident that Pogba is one of them. He's done these types of performances several times already (Spurs, Newcastle, West Brom last season as examples).
What I am saying is consistent with what I've said for 2 years. Pogba is a luxury player. He plays based on the state of the team. The higher your average level as a team the higher the average level of Pogba is. This is why I said I did not mind whether he stayed or got sold because he is a very difficult player to fit into a team.
I am sure Klopp would like a midfielder who can contribute 20 goals per season over "pressers'. Good quick passers? Like Hendo? Wignaldum? Milner? Their passing should not be mentioned in the same sentence. Theirs is average to say the least. Gotta be a Liverpool fan
That was a shite game from Pogba. Too wide in the first half and not making space for himself in the second.
Nobody else could be blamed for the times he got caught in possession or wasted a pass.
Granted he could be excused for not having a World Class evening, or not being a match-winner, but we have to expect better than that.
It seems he just plays his usual game, regardless, as opposed to mixing it up and overcoming specific barriers the opposition put in his way.
Nobody else could be blamed for the times he got caught in possession or wasted a pass.
Granted he could be excused for not having a World Class evening, or not being a match-winner, but we have to expect better than that.
It seems he just plays his usual game, regardless, as opposed to mixing it up and overcoming specific barriers the opposition put in his way.
14 goals 14 assists. Wow!
No, I’m just looking at the league table and that doesn’t lie.
I think we have fallen so far that some people on here actually think that Pogba is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Here’s news for you, he isn’t, he’s part of the problem.
That's with the self-sabotage José was doing in the first half of the season, too! Imagine if we had a proper manager throughout the campaign? Hopefully we find out next year.
He's the icing on the top. His core midfield work isn't good, if other players do it for him then he shines. He's closer to van AM in this sense.
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No he's a world class talent who cannot be relied upon week in week out. We lose more often than not when he throws in a stinker. We need to ensure we have others capable of turning games and not just him. In time he may become a consistent force for us who knows.
Is it just me or is he definitely back to playing deeper? In Ole's first few games he was basically a No 10 causing chaos in the box now he's back in that midfield role. If that's the direction how long before he kicks up a fuss again?
Seems he's more left sided than in the middle. Such a waste.
Half the team has been injured though. Granted plenty were back at the weekend. Hopefully we go back to what we were doing before.
I wouldn't say he is world class because of his bottom level and consistency obstacles. Has world class talent but not quite the application. WC is Ronaldinho. That said, the poster above has issues. To suggest a player of Paul's undeniable quality and contribution is part of the problem is straight nuts. What we need is to buy more players of this quality to assist him.
Why would Klop sign Pogba, it wouldn't make sense. He can't get regular run of the mill pressing right, let alone the 'counter-press' style that requires 100% attention at all times. Great player who should just play the "somewhere up there" free role, but delusional to think you can give Pogba any kind of nuanced structured role based around defensive fundamentals and expect him to achieve it. Would be a waste of time trying.
Yeah, Pogba who had no problem for playing under coaches like Conte, Allegri, Deschamps who are very tactical in their set up but he will struggle playing for Klopp
Liverpool don't even press like lunatics, like they used to do before.
like in the World Cup???
I think Pogba works excellently as a #10. I also do think you will struggle to get results if you play him too deep but he can play that position in a pinch. I think with Physically dominant and technically good midfielders behind him he can be great.
It also has to be noted that he will likely be more consistent when he's not being relied on to do most of the playmaking and creative work all by himself. Get someone else in there who can share that load and it makes it much easier for both of them.
The majority of the top teams over the last 20 years or so have had at least two midfielders in there sharing the duties of controlling the team around. Just looking at ourselves we had Keane and Scholes and then Scholes and Carrick during our best two periods. Yet we've been expecting Pogba to do it all by himself since he's been here.
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Any controversial comments from him yet about leaving In future maybe but who knows?
Any controversial comments from him yet about leaving In future maybe but who knows?
What a load of rubbish
I mean there is trolling and then there is this. Without him our midfield is completely devoid of creativity and his performances are a major reason why we are in contention for the top four.
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It really does annoy me that for such a big club we are the only ones who seem to struggle with this jizzing over Madrid thing. City players for example never ever do this. We should be immune from this nonsense but we’ve never been able to stop it.
City are winning stuff and have Pep while we are still starting Mike Smalling at the back.
I hate them as a club, but in sporting terms they are two classes on top of us, that is why their players don't do that.
Right now yes but even before Pep there has literally never been a peep from their best players about leaving, when let’s face it, they’re at a small club. Ronaldo was wanting to leave us when we were the best side in Europe. It’s just very frustrating.
So is a 200M bid for him coming from Real this summer?
Pogba always says stuff like this. It should not really come as a surprise. But he is our player and it will require a gigantic bid to take him from us. So let's just get on with it. My belief has returned since Ole came back and I'm sure we'll manage with or without Pogba.
It's difficult to disagree with that. Ole has brought some feel good factor back to the club but we've still mountains of work to do before we can even think of challenging for the title. Until we're at that point, Madrid can come knocking.
This is what you get when your player is the biggest client of a super agent. If we dither in the market again he won't sign a new contract and will be off eventually. He already planned an exit route but didn't have to use it because we sacked the manager.
So he's not really here for love then?
Why not just say "I'm happy at United" and shut up?
He doesn't say he's leaving tomorrow! Looks like a contract ploy to me to be honest.
He could be behind DDG and Sanchez in the wage structure very soon so it makes sense but who knows? I can see him moving to Spain in 3 odd years regardless.
Didn't he flirt with Barca all summer? I take all of this with a grain of salt. We backed him over Jose ffs, he was at the centre of a lot of turmoil at this club for him to be talking like this.
He could be behind DDG and Sanchez in the wage structure very soon so it makes sense but who knows? I can see him moving to Spain in 3 odd years regardless.
Didn't he flirt with Barca all summer? I take all of this with a grain of salt. We backed him over Jose ffs, he was at the centre of a lot of turmoil at this club for him to be talking like this.
In 3 years he's almost thirty and will have a huge salary. Let's say he's on 15/20 mil a season, no club in Spain is stupid enough or rich enough to pay him that amount when he's almost 30.
This is generally my feeling too.
Yes,we're a big club but we dont look like competing for the major honours anytime soon.Could take 2,3 transfer windows for us to get there IF we finally have a player acquisitions strategy in place (flashbacks of LVG alluding too the very same thing 3 seasons back.)
That's why if Pogba were to leave ,though I'd clearly be gutted to see another major star leaving Old Trafford I would also accept the pov he's coming from.
Pogba would be wise to take a look at DDG and think 'is sticking around here really going to be such a wise choice ?'
I think DDG is thinking that very same thing now more than ever.
“Only god knows”.
Let's be honest - Pogba should be playing at one of the top sides in the world.
We haven't been at that level for a while. Theres no guarantee we'll even be in the Champions League next season.
We haven't been at that level for a while. Theres no guarantee we'll even be in the Champions League next season.
Well it'll have to do if they want him or not.
look at rest of his comments
Doesn't look half as bad in context.
Looks like he's at it again. Hazard esque comments. It's like all of them just want Madrid to come for them at one point by any means and don't want to close the door.
I see they left out the quote just after which was 'im happy at manchester united'.
Madrid is a dream club for most footballers, playing alongside great talent in a hot country with one of the biggest teams in the world. The history etc.
Zidane makes it even more attractive at the moment.
Paul is right. Problem is, He is under contract with Manchester United and is happy here. He was talking up Ole and saying how much he he deserves the job and how good their relationship is.
He is going nowhere yet, imo. Even of he did, it would be on our terms.
Madrid is a dream club for most footballers, playing alongside great talent in a hot country with one of the biggest teams in the world. The history etc.
Zidane makes it even more attractive at the moment.
Paul is right. Problem is, He is under contract with Manchester United and is happy here. He was talking up Ole and saying how much he he deserves the job and how good their relationship is.
He is going nowhere yet, imo. Even of he did, it would be on our terms.
I know he says he's happy at United but there was no need for him to talk up Madrid imo. He did it for a reason as he has done in the past and it makes him very hard to like for that reason.
Most of this depends on 1) Giving Ole the full-time job and 2) actually back him in the summer transfer window with incomings and outgoings.
If we have a underwhelming transfer window,which I wouldn't be surprised about, and the other major clubs in Europe flex their transfer muscle then its only logical for Pogba to question the ambition of the club and internally his future at the club.
Raiola would in-turn be licking his lips if the later events were to occur.
If we have a underwhelming transfer window,which I wouldn't be surprised about, and the other major clubs in Europe flex their transfer muscle then its only logical for Pogba to question the ambition of the club and internally his future at the club.
Raiola would in-turn be licking his lips if the later events were to occur.
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