Wow so getting 7/8 non penalty goals and 10 assists playing basically as a #10 is now amazing right? His stats are basically very similar to Sigurdsson and they play basically the same position. A lot of players have those sort of stats, it's not a number that should be viewed as good or bad, just standard. He was bought for a world record fee. Madrid want him and are seemingly prepared to spend 150m+ on him. Yet he's a player that does nothing for us in terms of dominating games on the ball, being everywhere, dominating big games, and instead goes into a sulky mode or just relies on random nice flicks or hollywood passes here and there. That's not a 150m player. Not a chance in hell. Massive reputation, huge ability, but nowhere near the consistency, nowhere near the footballing intelligence and nowhere near the mentality to be one of the very best players. World class players don't go missing as frequently as he does. He could well move on and find that level somewhere else, but he either doesn't want to be here or can't be arsed being a leader and putting in 100% every game to get us to where we want to be. So feck him off if he can't do that, that's not the mentality or attitude we want breeding at our club.
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He has played for us 130 times but the number of times you would watch him and think 'wow, we have a world class player here' barely runs into double figures.
Like it or not, he was meant to be our 'Galactico' signing but he is a much more Gareth Bale than Zinedine Zidane
Like it or not, he was meant to be our 'Galactico' signing but he is a much more Gareth Bale than Zinedine Zidane
You serious?
As a midfielder, Pogba isn't really that good. How many midfields filled with inferior players have dominated us the last few years that he's been here? He's a moments player, a #10 that can provide goals and assists, but he's not a player that will have a huge impact over the course of a full game. Just a few moments here and there is what he does. That's not what you want out of a top midfielder.
I think his price tag does not help him. Because he cost so much, most expensive MF i think, there is high expectations.
I can't help but feel some of the fans deserves the rancid football on show for making the new scapegoat of our only consistent player at delivering quality.
Zidane is an all time great and there isn't a moment where anyone should have compared Pogba and Zidane, when you do that you only have yourself to blame when you are disappointed. Also Zidane was know for being a player that picked his games.
So when we win he's carrying the team as it's because of him but when we lose we're not allowed to expect him to carry the team?
He's our most expensive player ever, the expectation is there because of that. The expectation is there because of the hype around him.
That expectation is that when he comes up against a team like Everton, he makes the difference and we win. If he can't do that then why did we pay so much for him? Is he not supposed to be one of the best players in the world? They don't always stand up and be counted when the chips are down but they usually stand up at least once. When did Pogba last do that for us when we needed him?
Meanwhile, when the chips aren't down and we just need him to run the game like he's supposed to, he blows hot and cold.
He can be brilliant. He's unbelievable when he's on fire. We don't see it anywhere like enough, nor do we see it against any big team.
We judge his attitude because it was on show today. It was on show against Barça. It was on show against PSG when he got sent off. It's on show all the time when he doesn't get his own way. He's a diva, it's not like it's hidden away, it's in plain sight.
And the difference between Pogba now and Ronaldo in 03-05 is Ronaldo was less than 20 years old then. Pogba is 26. It's about time he started showing consistency in his performances otherwise we'll never see it and he'll always be seen the way we see him. Talented but just not worth it.
You can't build your team around someone like that. He was bought, at the price he cost too, so we could build our team around him.
We could sell him for a chunk of money and buy a complete midfield full of players that fit together instead. Sometimes ridding yourself of your best player makes you more reliant on the team as a whole and that reaps rewards. I think we're there with Pogba. If we're as reliant on him as you say to win, then he's not good enough that we couldn't adopt a different approach with a bunch of different players in a cohesive unit instead of one individual.
yup. pogba might have talent in his little toe, but mct has a million times more effort. Pogba is passenger far too often.
Sorry mate but him playing too much is just another excuse.
Can't agree with that. Real or Juve or PSG would get him if we agreed to sell. Maybe Bayern too.
He'd be fantastic with the correct players to compliment him, unfortunately, we haven't got those players who'd allow him the freedom to be our playmaker.
We're asking him to be the complete midfielder, that's not his quality.
Having said all that his attitude stinks and I'm all for selling him.
We're asking him to be the complete midfielder, that's not his quality.
Having said all that his attitude stinks and I'm all for selling him.
Think you are quite wrong on this. Time will tell.
A what?
Jesus Christ
Scott’s been a welcome addition but he’s not better. You guys are just showing how silly you’re being by saying that ffs
He's an arse, but we need to keep him for now.
Would just make an impossible job even harder having to replace him as well this summer.
Would just make an impossible job even harder having to replace him as well this summer.
What is his quality if it's not being a complete midfielder?
Or looking at the past few games will tell. Pogba can kick on and become the world class player everyone said he is, but he wont do it here. Hes king of the hill here and its went to his head. He needs to be surrounded by better/same level players to keep his ego in check. He wont get away with the shit he does here at real for example.
penalties don't magically end up in the back of the net, moreover, Pogba more often than not is involved in anything positive we do attacking wise. How do you turn around and argue against the one player producing in this shit team and not recognize he's supporting cast isn't good enough? how often does he create and our attackers waste? not to mention the blatant lie that he "basically plays at #10". Supposedly lacks footballing intelligence but is topping or there abouts every other stat even when compared to players in much more functional teams and with more quality around them:
madness.
read the follow up.Jesus Christ
Scott’s been a welcome addition but he’s not better. You guys are just showing how silly you’re being by saying that ffs
He is a top athlete but not a machine. Klopp, for instance, quite often rotates his midfielders. Same with Guardiola. No midfielder at Liverpool and City has played so much over the last 4 months.
He sure takes his time to rest during games.
So why is our main striker not held to the same standard? he cost 75m+player, lost the ball total of 29 times and his thread didn't even reach the 2 page mark. PP produced the only bits of quality and the fans filled pages of pages in his thread. Amazing.
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So you’re saying he’s too good for us? So we should sell him? Sorry I don’t want a team of mctominays and milners
Pogba created 3 clear cut goal scoring chances today, what did our other midfielders do? Go moan in the Matic thread ffs
Calm those jets, brobeans. Im not talking about one game. You might be, but hes been shit for a while. And you will never get that ego back in its box here. No point in him staying.So you’re saying he’s too good for us? So we should sell him? Sorry I don’t want a team of mctominays and milners
Pogba created 3 clear cut goal scoring chances today, what did our other midfielders do? Go moan in the Matic thread ffs
because theres no question of how shit he is? It would just be 500 pages of people agreeing.
My theory is that people actually rate Pogba while they know that the others are terrible. The issue is that we need a super hero and Pogba isn't one, so people are frustrated.
The whole teams been shit. No coincidence. if our forwards play well then he will supply then assists. Yes if we get run ragged then he probably won’t pull us back into the match, but that’s just how it is.
Get a proper Playmaker who can fight along with mctominay as the box to box and we might be ok.
Martial/Rashford/Lukaku have far been the bigger issues recently, we just don’t put our chances away.
the whole team has been shit, but pobga is supposed to a world class finished article. yet we often see him just jogging around making very little effort. the others have been shit, only rashford I would say makes anywhere near the required effort even though his finishing has been woeful. Martial
, lets not, we'll be here all day.My point was his rate of scoring penalties is pretty much the average rate across all penalty takers ever, so it's not like he's scoring more than of somebody else took them. The other point is that yes, of course hes a quality player individually. The argument is is he good enough or worth it. Can a team with Pogba be a truly dominant team, or will he be a weird handicap of doing nothing apart from a few moments here and there and hoping that decides to the game? The Barca game spoke volumes. They passed circles around him effortlessly, defensively they pressed him as a unit. Can Pogba get in Barca's midfield? Would they want him standing on the ball to do his obligatory ball rolls a few times and wanting to dribble past a few players to show off his skills before doing a simple pass which it almost looks like he never wants to do? I cant ever see him being part of a Pep side, a Barca side or something like that. A team that demands the concentration, intensity and self sacrifice for the good of the team from its midfielders.
Pogba's talent and hype is that he is a player that can produce like an attacker but is a midfielder. The issue is when you have to move so many things around to get his best qualities out. He cant play as a normal midfielder, mostly because of his mentality and style of play, because he just doesnt think like one. Then on the other hand he doesnt have the output of a proper top attacker. And therein lies the problem. You have to make so many adjustments to find a position that he will excel in, you end up building the team around him, and then his mentality is one that just goes hiding when the going gets tough. That's just not worth it from a player with his price tag. Its not a matter of getting better players around him. France have world class players all over but it's not like he shines consistent for them (far from it in fact)
That's not at all what Pogba's talent and hype is. What it is, it's his ability to have a wide range of passing, dribbling, and chance creating. He is not someone that's ever produced like an attacker and never will be. He has a huge range of skills, is strong and athletic on top of silky skills and pin-point passing. He's just a cog in a machine, he's not a tip-of-the-spear type of player or a spear on his own a la Messi/CR7.
Have you not noticed the flak Lukaku gets for being shite?
His performances thread is almost as long as Pogba's and nobody is saying he's brilliant. We're all aware he's a fecking donkey and it's abysmal he's up front for us and we let it be known in almost every mention of him.
Talk about seeing what you wanna see...
But even if he wasn't, Pogba is THE guy in the team. The same people that say everything comes through him when everything goes well cannot handle the fact that he gets more scrutiny when we play shite. You can't have one without the other.
No he played a decent game because he was the only player who was able to make a solid pass and not lose the ball under no pressure. He created our only chances and was the main conductor of anything that was positive. For someone to think he had a poor game you would have to of literally be not looking at his play. He was the only player actually doing anything that resembled football
His talent is that he can do that, and I agree that's a big part of the hype, but any performance he's ever had has been that he only produces some individual moments and never a proper midfield performance. You see Arthur come into Barcelona and instantly suit their style down to tee and he dominates games with his passing and movement and mentality. Hes not a Scholes or Carrick type who always know how to open themselves up and always seemingly have time and space to make a pass and move the ball around quickly and intelligently. When you watch him it's almost like doing that stuff is beneath him the way he looks when he goes deep to pick the ball up. That's just not his game. Hes not a box to box all action midfielder, defensively hes always been a liability. Hes basically an attacking playmaker that plays as a center mid, but because he doesnt seem to know how to do the role of a standard midfielder, you need a very specific set up around him. And at that point, he basically becomes just that moments player which looks great on YouTube but is infuriating having him because he'll have a run of games where everything comes off and then a run of games where he does pretty much nothing.
Him being less shit then most of the others doesnt mean he played well. If the team averaged a 2 and he got a 4, he still played shit and you still expect way more from him on an individual level.
What I find funny is people getting all emotional and blaming lack of consistency etc even after his stats showed he's better now than before he came. Including 16/17 season. If he was incosistent here what was he before we payed 90m? The club/management shall regret not building the proper supporting cast around the prime PP.
Probably because everyone knows that Lukaku is shite and has no future at the club, while Pogba will forever split the fan base and people will always think his ability can bring a much better player than the one we see on a weekly basis.
He isn't superman for God's sake. If Fred, matic, lukaku, smalling, rashford etc can't control the fecking ball or make basic passes to each other then what can pogba do?
If 10 players are playing a 2 it's literally impossible for the one decent player. Yet he still managed to create a couple very good chances and actually play a half decent game.
Believe me, I've had plenty of frustrations with Pogba when he started playing for France. The talent and ability is undeniable, but I feel his problem is that he is good at many things but a master in none of the things that you can point out in the other names you've mentioned. Deschamps figured out a way to get the best out of him, but it's under very specific conditions and sets of talents around him who will perform to help him shine so he can in turn make the offensive players shine. United is just not equipped to get the best out of him so then the question becomes is he worth it for this United team as it's presently constructed? I think it's a valid question. I'm always going to be someone who says you shouldn't get rid of talents like Pogba because who knows how hard it will be to attract talent to a team with no Champion's league and under this sort of dark cloud, but I recognize the question is legitimately asked.
It's a balance of is he worth it or not. Is he as good as his reputation says, is he as good as he thinks, is he worth building a team around, or is he really just an Isco type of player that is super talented but will forever be somewhat inconsistent and generally be just a moments player.
I'm of the opinion that if he wants to leave, or plans on leaving in a year or whatever, just get rid now while we can get 150m+ for him.
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