He was their main player and leader at the world cup. Created the majority of their chances and goals. Was very good defensively even though Kante had a bang average tournament and shit final.
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Anybody would be great playing amongst those teams, with genuine world class players to hide your own lack of application.
Let me put it this way, if there was a war, would you want Pogba by your side in the trenches? Of course you wouldn't. We need real men back in this team; leaders, fighters, and not glorified YouTube edited footballers who play for themselves only.
Not his fault we lost, obviously, they are all to blame, but stop giving Pogba excuses, he's a 'precious' show pony.
Positive - Our best player today.
Negative - worse than every Everton player today.
Negative - worse than every Everton player today.
The only player who looked like he knew what to do with a football, hit 2 decent passes which is nowhere near enough, don't get me wrong, he was crap, but that's 2 more passes than anyone else in a United shirt managed.
No where near the player he’s supposed to be. He’s a shiny cog in a good footballing machine, little more.
Let's just talk about football, if we're talking about war I would want Snodgrass, Schneiderlin or Lewis Dunk but this ain't war
Say what now ? Rewriting history much ?
And is always clueless without the ball.
Bullshit. Kante was top notch until he got sick for the final. Varane, Hernandez, Pavard, Mbappe and Griezman were the better players over the course of the tournament. His best performances were against Belgium and Croatia. But again, the France team is not dependent on him, just like the Juventus one.
He is not the man they build around. That's either Griezman or Mbappe.
I agree with you. If you see that your team is having an issue , then you step up and put in a bit of shift off the ball. Is that too much for a 300k footballer ?
Nope. Kante is class but in that Tournament, he was a mixed bag. Good one game terrible the next. In the final he had to be hooked in the 50th minute.
And I think that football is played as a team where players have roles that create a balance. Herrera may not be the greatest player of all time but unlike the chuckle brothers his best role actually bring something to the midfield and creates a balance that allows someone like Pogba to exploit his strength, the opposite is also true Pogba allows Herrera to shine. The other midfielders are frankly useless, people may praise too of them for their running abilities but they are footballers not 10k racers.
If we isolate Pogba and talk about his weaknesses then I agree with you regarding his defensive deficiencies but if we are talking about football and how to play and win as a team then I have to make the point that all players have limitations and the only reason managers exist is to create a team that exposes individual players strength and hides weaknesses.
He had a great tournament and for the final he was very sick but still tried to play. You must have been watching a different tournament I think
He’s not good enough, his attitude stinks, he’s lazy, got a bad attitude, late for the meetings, thinks life’s a joke. Not fit for the badge, move him on. Crap,
He's the very definition of a Youtube player. I can't see a better example. Does one or 2 great passes that will go straight to his Youtube compilation video but you look at midfield performance in the game he did these passes in and you find that the midfield he was part of was getting destroyed by a third tier Everton midfield. I'll take a proper midfield performance x10 times more than 1 or 2 out of the world creative passes in the game.
Give me a midfield trio who don't stop running, pressing and putting max effort in even if they lack some talent, please.
Give me a midfield trio who don't stop running, pressing and putting max effort in even if they lack some talent, please.
He's become the elephant in the room, United should sell him and reinvest the money. Arguably the same should happen with De Gea who is running down his deal whilst his form plummets.
Wrong on both accounts. In the last year of international football when he was not in the team, France toiled; Denmark and Holland.
During Pogba's last two years at Juventus, if not him, who was their main player?? Go on then.
Influential to who? Outside of England no one cares about them two.
The last part of that first sentence also nullifies your point.
Absolute disaster of a poster.
I now believe you knew Pogba growing up and is still upset he was better than you then and now.
The onus of the message being on the character to be able to fight when required, in any avenue of life, INCLUDING football. That is what is required right now, hence the reference.
I was being pedantic on purpose. I knew what was really meant, we'd all love to have fighters and who are incredibly good footballers but here we are.
I agree completely, but the question for Pogba becomes whether it's worth seeking that balance. Liverpool have looked a million times more creative than us all season and they've done it with three workhorses in midfield. Whilst that may not be a blueprint for success that we could (or even should replicate) I'm not absolutely convinced that his qualities outweigh his negatives for us. I'm certain there are teams that could make it work with him, I'm not sure we are one of them.
That's an awfully misleading way of saying he attempted 1 dribble and made 1 tackle.
Said a newbie that we don't even know history of his posts.
All I'm seeing in this thread is shifting the blame left, right and center to any other target. Several months ago it was 100% Mourinho holding him back, now it's 100% teammates. Next season it'll be 100% Ole etc. Just blaming anyone we don't like for his deficiencies instead of admitting it.
As long as he's performing terrible even though he can put x10 better performance than the shite he serves currently, because he has enough quality and his only problem is his mentality on the pitch, he'll keep rightly criticized. People who will keep burying their heads in the sand regarding him will keep being let down by him again and again and again until he eventually and inevitable leaves. I'm glad I won't be on his side when he leaves eventually.
I think it was giles who said you are better off with James milner in midfield than Pogba. Pogba has more flair, but milner gives you a 100% every match.
If you could get pogba working as hard as milner he would be some player.
Tell him to ease of the social media too. I think neville was having a pop at him regards this today.
If you could get pogba working as hard as milner he would be some player.
Tell him to ease of the social media too. I think neville was having a pop at him regards this today.
Should have clocked on to this a bit when Jordan Henderson bullied the feck out of him in that 1-1 match at Old Trafford. Knew then he was going to be a player you can’t really depend on.
“Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”
Such an apt quote regarding Pogba. Massively talented but terrible work ethic.
Such an apt quote regarding Pogba. Massively talented but terrible work ethic.
This 100%.
Mino riola is massive part of the problem who contributes to that attitude.
Not working out at united? Find a new team, want big money find a new team, not working out there, find a new team.. Rinse and repeat. He will never improve this way as the mentality will never be fixed.
Bye bye.
The fact is he wasn't all that great for Juventus.
For France - they have arguably a top 5 player in every position & Pogba isn't vital for them as he is for us.
For France - they have arguably a top 5 player in every position & Pogba isn't vital for them as he is for us.
My juve supporting friends still want him back. They think his quality has been missed.
Madrid can have him. They seem like a perfect match don’t they? I hope he knows he can’t get away with playing like this for them.
I want him out of the club , he has no passion , no commitment , not fit to wear the shirt !
If he puts in the same effort with Madrid as he does with us, the madrid fans will slaughter him. They were jeering ronaldo when he was breaking goal scoring records.
Souness said this, that Pogba treats football like a joke. As if he cannot believe how lucky he is to be earning about 180 grand a week after tax.
it is kind of the impression i get off him, especially when you see him on social media.
it is kind of the impression i get off him, especially when you see him on social media.
A much better performance.
He tried to play proper football when we're attacking but teammates who receive his passes tend to let him down. Impossible to conduct team-play attack with this lot.
Unfortunately on the opposite end, it's clear as day his lack of effort nor interest in getting back to help defend.
Wouldn't say he's the best player today nor best attacker... meh, not much to get positive about.
He tried to play proper football when we're attacking but teammates who receive his passes tend to let him down. Impossible to conduct team-play attack with this lot.
Unfortunately on the opposite end, it's clear as day his lack of effort nor interest in getting back to help defend.
Wouldn't say he's the best player today nor best attacker... meh, not much to get positive about.
I'm not saying I'm right but I can see why Juventus want him - they had players like matiudi, Vidal, Khedira doing the actual work whilst now they have Can & Co.
I can see how Pogba would look better then under a proper hard working functional team but my problem is that Pogba is not a part of that. He is a part of the flair and creative aspect. I can see why Juventus want a player like him to add more balance to their purely functional midfield - however to me Pogba is not all that great in his flair or technical aspects either.
Pogba seems he needs to be placed in the most free & creative spots in a football team but then I look at players like silva x2, hazard the CAM, Eriksen & de bryune - I just don't see him as all that great either.
If I'm honest - when we first got Pogba I thought he was this hardworking box to box midfielder but this is turning out to be wrong.
I simply don't know what he is. As a CM or CDM he is far from good enough and at CAM I think we could find better players.
thought the same
He is a key player for France. I don't know whether France have a 'driving force' rather a fantastic team, and a manager that seems to bring them together quite well. All this talk about transition teams is nonsense. What else are you going to say, they have better players..
This is my point, some people lose a sense of realism and perspective with Pogba. No he is not blameless, and is playing poorly. But is he any worst than anyone else. In fact, is he our worst player right now? I would argue our front three in recent games have been shocking! Shocking!
You could build around him, but you need better players. And he IS the player who gets the French actually playing... he ties it all together.
Not really our main issue today
Ah yeah. He can leave now. Thinks he's bigger than the club and above it all. Time to get rid.
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