Pogday!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
All this makes me wonder how the Caf reacted when Ronaldo was sold back then.
This is sooo disappointing. We're less than a day away from making it official and still nowhere close to 1,000 pages...
I'm so bloody happy right now
Ok I gave in. 45 seconds in and that skill made me spit my tea outYou're missing out
Please, just stop.
I don't think he is entirely wrong. Raiola has got to double dip on this because 1) Sale of Pogba to anyone he was due a share from it - even if that deal was brokered by some other agent 2) Because he is brokering the deal - a separate fee irrelevant of the share owed. Think in one of the many tweets about the fee, there has been an implication that Juve is going to pay Raiola something from the sale but, it sounds like Raiola will get bulk of his money from United as the broker. Probably trying to figure out these details is where there has been some back and forth in the last week and now it seems all settled.
I fail to see the logic here.
Wait you seriously think Pogba's going to let us sell an additional £52m worth of shirts? Within weeks? In fact, no, seeing as Adidas collect a huge amount of the revenue from shirt sales, you think Pogba alone is going to sell at least over £100m worth of shirts? You do realise over the past few years we've sold 1.5m shirts on average per year at approximately £50 and for your prediction to even have a chance of coming true Pogba's going to sell at least 2m shirts in two weeks? The feck?
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People underestimate the effect of having one superstar in football
When I grew up I idolized Beckham, and he happens to play for United. Long after Beckham retires I'm still a United fans. So don't underestimate the effect of having one Pogba to our fan base in the grand scheme of things.
I may not bought a Beckham shirt at that time due to being a schoolboy, but I'm 35 years now and over the years I have contributed to the United brand. Now imagine how many people will start following United due to their favorite player joining us, and once you're converted it'll last a lifetime.
When I grew up I idolized Beckham, and he happens to play for United. Long after Beckham retires I'm still a United fans. So don't underestimate the effect of having one Pogba to our fan base in the grand scheme of things.
I may not bought a Beckham shirt at that time due to being a schoolboy, but I'm 35 years now and over the years I have contributed to the United brand. Now imagine how many people will start following United due to their favorite player joining us, and once you're converted it'll last a lifetime.
No every agent gets a cut from the buying club when signing one of his players. Thats the normal agent fees/commission the buying club has to pay. But this clause is completely unrelated to us. The selling club has to pay the agent because of the clause but Juventus want us to increase our initial bid so they can use that to cover the 20m fee cost. So in essence Raoila will get two commissions - one from us, the normal agent fees for signing his player and one from Juventus, which isnt normal fees that they included voluntarily in the players contract.
But one pogba fans converted into United fans can easilly gives much more than simply buying a shirt, over the years.I fail to see the logic here.
Wait you seriously think Pogba's going to let us sell an additional £52m worth of shirts? In fact, no, seeing as Adidas collect a huge amount of the revenue from shirt sales, you think Pogba alone is going to sell at least over £100m worth of shirts? You do realise over the past few years we've sold 1.5m shirts on average per year at approximately£50, so for your prediction to be true we're going to sell at least 3.5m shirts this year? The feck?
We don't get to where we are right now without the collective number of fans across the world who happens to start supporting United for whatever reason, and having a superstar is one of those.
calm before the storm...
Last year all our point of attacks were Martial. If teams doubled up on him and nullified him we struggled. Now with Zlatan, Mhyki and Pogba in the team and Rooney and Martial it is impossible to double up on anyone as we have to many. The amount of match winners we have is fantastic. I know this is pure greed but wouldn't mind a Mahrez in the mix as along with Rashford and Mata it would give us real quality competition.
It's been debunked on here more times than the earth being flat. Of course it will only be a good thing for us commercially, but there's no chance we'll get anywhere near half the fee back.
I don't think so, I think it's just a normal clause which Juve don't want to pay.
It's like selling a house and the seller refuse to cover the house agent commission (aka being a cnut over it)
I'm not talking about the insurance models. You may be right that they make no allowance for a player being at higher risk if they are are midfielder or more high profile. But just because these factors are not in the models doesn't mean they don't exist.
You just need to watch a game from Barsa, or Real Madrid, and see how many fouls are made against Ronaldo and Messi. Anyone who has watched them will know they are fouled much more than lower profile players. That's part of the reason they go down easily, possibly to protect themselves.
As for midfielders suffering more fouls, this is because they are in that part of the pitch where more battles for ball control take place. Plus, opponents will not think twice about fouling or not when they are 40yards from goal, versus when they are in the penalty area.
So perhaps you know with absolute certainty how insurance models work. But that does not mean what I was saying is bonkers.
I dont think its normal because this clause isnt there in every contract. If this clause was there then every time a club sells a player they have to pay the agent. That doesnt happen. This is a special situation. Thats why the complication.
Wonder what kind of reception the Pog will get at old Trafford.
Google Real Madrid have sold over a million Cristiano Ronaldo shirts. Covered their fee. I remember hearing those news soon after CR7 was sold to them.
BTW, this is my last post, so you all get your wish for me to stop. I hope at least you saw some sense in what I was saying.
I wasn't around for that one, but the De Gea thread was not very classy when it looked certain he was going. Plenty were wishing that his career bombs, with some wishing serious injury on him.
Juventuz getting a bit racist can't be justified, but the reaction in general is par for the course.
I move house today, hoping by the time I'm done faffing around with sofas etc he'll be signed!
Good luck! You're in for a memorable day
Sounds legit because everyone knows manufacturing, material, distribution, and marketing costs zero. And we sure as hell know Adidas won't be getting a portion of that. No need to let pesky contracts get in the way of rampant profits.
I'm even bored typing this post myself, but I'll bite. Adidas take the vast majority of shirt sales. Literally nothing more needs to be said, but I hope you in fact will see sense in what everyone else is saying.
"No club has ever directly recouped a player’s transfer fee through shirt sales. Adidas, Nike, Puma, and other kit suppliers get 85-90% of shirt sale revenue and this is the industry standard... at best, United are likely to see around £3 million in additional revenue".
Thanks to whoever initially posted this link, hell of a find. http://thesetpieces.com/features/transfer-window-myth-busting/#ixzz4FlsvvP7E
Edit: CS@SG gets the credit.
Just curious, how old are you?
That's not worth re-posting.
Why don't you try and work it out for yourself instead of just assuming some random article is true? Unless Madrid are selling every shirt for 80 each AND manufacturing and selling them for free without any involvement from Adidas how could it possibly be true.
We won't cover Pogba's fee with shirt sales but we do get a good percentage of shirt sales with the adidas deal. The nike deal was fixed.
Its 10%. It is also fixed with adidas.
Old enough to pay myself and a family member round trip fares from the states to watch Manchester United games at Old Trafford a couple of times a year. The last time I stayed at the Deansgate Hilton I actually had the pleasure of riding the elevator with Mourinho and his Real Madrid staff from the 8th floor to the 2nd floor. It was great to be with him face to face, you should have seen the look on his face when he saw me get into the elevator in my United kit.
And you, how old are you?
On what planet does the seller refuse to cover the agents commission? They engaged the agent to sell the house! This is completely different.
Big bad Juventus, huge club, can't keep hold of one of their best players to a club with no Champions League. Seriously though, I actually like Juve as a club, some of their fans look right tits though.
On a more important note, I wonder how we plan on using Pogba. If we're going to play 2 in the middle which I believe, who will provide the defensive cover?
Seriously though, I actually like Juve as a club, some of their fans look right tits though. On a more important note, I wonder how we plan on using Pogba. If we're going to play 2 in the middle which I believe, who will provide the defensive cover?
Got my Cantona shirt when I was 7! Was a copy though.
So it's not even a world record after all things considered. 92m total fees with 84m to Juventus and 8m to Raiola.
Source?
Anyone who doesn't fear Madrid in the transfer market is a slow learner.
Granted, this deal has gone our way (phew!), but the fear that Madrid might've hijacked the deal was understandable.
We have been electrocuted by that lever more than once, and it's not a pleasant feeling. It goes without saying that many refuse to touch it again.
Anyway, Pogba is ours! And the assumption that Madrid also wanted him is hopefully true, because we get to say "nah nah nah nah nah"!
Granted, this deal has gone our way (phew!), but the fear that Madrid might've hijacked the deal was understandable.
We have been electrocuted by that lever more than once, and it's not a pleasant feeling. It goes without saying that many refuse to touch it again.
Anyway, Pogba is ours! And the assumption that Madrid also wanted him is hopefully true, because we get to say "nah nah nah nah nah"!