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No. He's only had one poor game since his return.Yeah, it's been happening a lot in here recently.
No. He's only had one poor game since his return.Yeah, it's been happening a lot in here recently.
Not really the issue though. Like it or not a centreback in Van Gaal's system has got to be composed with excellent distribution skills adept at carrying the ball out from the back. Jones just doesn't possess that skill set.No. He's only had one poor game since his return.
Eh?oh that is so rich.
I know, I wasn't criticising Jones, just agreeing that some posters are looking at every opportunity to jump on a players back.No. He's only had one poor game since his return.
Fair enough but Vidic was a top notch defender without being the most comfortable on the ball. That's why we have Carrick and Blind dropping back to get the ball and supposedly move it forward.I think you're underestimating the importance of comfort on the ball and distribution for modern day defenders. Refer to David Luiz valuation.
Like you and Van Gaal.I know, I wasn't criticising Jones, just agreeing that some posters are looking at every opportunity to jump on a players back.
Me and van Gaal?Like you and Van Gaal.
So you back Van Gaal?Me and van Gaal?
Where have I said that LVG should get sacked? Or that he isn’t good enough for United? You do realise that you can criticise someone yet still back them?
Some of our players are being written off every time they lose the ball or make a bad pass, players like Jones (22) Wilson (19) McNair (19) Blackett (20) Shaw (19) have all been written off this season as ‘not United quality and should be sold’. Even senior players like Mata, Falcao and Herrera have been written off after one or two bad games or have the nerve to give away the ball.
At the moment yes, however, I still feel that he to prove his worth to the Club. At the moment he is struggling to do that but I feel he will turn it around given time. However, that doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be criticised when things go horribly wrong or results are poor, the honeymoon period forLVG is over IMO.So you back Van Gaal?
Remember this?Managers love Jones. Like, they really, really love him.
They put him in the side whenever he's fit. Whether that be at centreback, rightback, defensive midfield or attacking midfield. Allardyce did it, Fergie did it, Moyes did it, Capello all did it, Hodgson does it and now LvG does it.
He obviously offers something on the pitch that fans don't see, because there seems to be a ridiculous amount of faith placed in him to do things on the pitch that many don't to think he's capable of.
And Ferguson even singled out 21-year-old Jones, a £16.5million signing from Blackburn Rovers in the summer of 2011, as a player with potential to even eclipse the likes of Sir Bobby Charlton.
"You saw Jones tonight," Ferguson told Sky Sports. "Arguably, the way he is looking, he could be our best ever player."
People bring up what Ferguson said and the whole Duncan Edwards thing but, Big Sam called him the next John Terry... right after his professional debut and Capello compared him to Franco Baresi. Managers rate him highly.Managers love Jones. Like, they really, really love him.
They put him in the side whenever he's fit. Whether that be at centreback, rightback, defensive midfield or attacking midfield. Allardyce did it, Fergie did it, Moyes did it, Capello all did it, Hodgson does it and now LvG does it.
He obviously offers something on the pitch that fans don't see, because there seems to be a ridiculous amount of faith placed in him to do things on the pitch that many don't to think he's capable of.
People bring up what Ferguson said and the whole Duncan Edwards thing but, Big Sam called him the next John Terry... right after his professional debut and Capello compared him to Franco Baresi. Managers rate him highly.
Actually no. LVG has used him purely as a CB in his starting 11. Both in a back 3 or back 2 he's always been used as a CB. I can't remember if his position has been changed during a match after substitutions but if it has it has been kept to a minimum.and now LvG does it.
I think he means LVG always picks him when hes fit.Actually no. LVG has used him purely as a CB in his starting 11. Both in a back 3 or back 2 he's always been used as a CB. I can't remember if his position has been changed during a match after substitutions but if it has it has been kept to a minimum.
It's clear LVG sees him as a CB and has used him as such rather than dicking around with his position.
Ah fair enough. :/I think he means LVG always picks him when hes fit.
Me too, he could be a really good player as the DM in a 3-man-midfield, but certainly not the way we play with LVG now.I actually prefer Jones in midfield, great drive and physicality. However he wouldn't really fit a LVG midfield, not comfortable enough on the ball and in posession.
Don't really rate him as a CB tbh hes good but not sure he'll be good enough to be a regular starter for United, hes more a Spurs level CB imo, he is only 22 though I guess.
He is doing Yoga classes now, so don't worry about his fitness anymore, mate.He might be limited in terms of his technical ability but he is a hard worker and no one can question his commitment, every team needs one or two of these players and I think Jones could actually be among the best in that category if, and that's unfortunately a big if, he can stay fit and progress a due to getting a good amount of football. Unfortunately that's also the thing I have my biggest doubts about, his fitness, as long as he can't stay fit for a season or two without missing too many games he is no use for us the same as Smalling, Evans and Rafael really.
two massive hurdles for him. 1) needs to read the game better then he doesn't have to run around like a nutter. and 2) if he does get better at reading the game he won't get hurt. by the way he needs to learn how to tackle without killing himself. he needs to start using his head or he'll be at stoke or west brom.He might be limited in terms of his technical ability but he is a hard worker and no one can question his commitment, every team needs one or two of these players and I think Jones could actually be among the best in that category if, and that's unfortunately a big if, he can stay fit and progress a due to getting a good amount of football. Unfortunately that's also the thing I have my biggest doubts about, his fitness, as long as he can't stay fit for a season or two without missing too many games he is no use for us the same as Smalling, Evans and Rafael really.
Me too, he could be a really good player as the DM in a 3-man-midfield, but certainly not the way we play with LVG now.
All we see is potential and stagnation with dose of U-21 type of mistakes on the pitch. He won't get far on that kind of reputation... certainly not under Van Gaal who in the past made already huge system changes in clubs like Bayern Munich.Managers love Jones. Like, they really, really love him.
They put him in the side whenever he's fit. Whether that be at centreback, rightback, defensive midfield or attacking midfield. Allardyce did it, Fergie did it, Moyes did it, Capello all did it, Hodgson does it and now LvG does it.
He obviously offers something on the pitch that fans don't see, because there seems to be a ridiculous amount of faith placed in him to do things on the pitch that many don't to think he's capable of.
The point was more to do with the fact that LvG always picks him when he's fit, rather than the position he plays. He's never started a game on the bench this season despite being injured several times. He's pretty much always on the pitch for the full 90 minutes too (other than when he got subbed after 89 minutes against Liverpool at 3-0 to waste time).Actually no. LVG has used him purely as a CB in his starting 11. Both in a back 3 or back 2 he's always been used as a CB. I can't remember if his position has been changed during a match after substitutions but if it has it has been kept to a minimum.
It's clear LVG sees him as a CB and has used him as such rather than dicking around with his position constantly.
That back pass to DDG was shockingCalamity Jones
Yeah but that's the problem, he seems to be making way too many of them. If he wants to be first choice CB here, he can't be doing that.Been good again besides the mistake imo.
Yeah, I do agree with that. He is still very young for a CB though, I have confidence that he can cut them out with more experience.Yeah but that's the problem, he seems to be making way too many of them. If he wants to be first choice CB here, he can't be doing that.