So he brought a sword ready to kill to protect his favourite bar ?
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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No one out of those people going there gives a shit about losing their morale high ground. It isn’t twitter mate.
The US has a systematic repressive system that has been going on far too long. Peaceful protests result in feck all. Systems are always build in balance, and there is always a breaking point. Often, the breaking point in isolation means feck all and might look like part of the norm (the death of Floyd is identical to the deaths of countless other black civilians killed by brutal cops who didn’t even lose their jobs let alone go to prison). While short term damage is gonna be high, this is the only way for the black people in the US to actually start gaining human rights.
No one likes to see looting and rioting, but this is just the syndrome of a system that is rotten to the core.
This isn’t really the thread for it but this is entirely untrue.
FOH, lose the moral high ground in who's eyes? Anyone who places the police above the protesters and looters, I'm not interested in their moral standard. Maybe if the protesters started killing innocent people you'd have a point.
You've yet to tell me what will get justice. I know you don't have an answer but who knows I've been corrected before.
It's not about individual cops, it's about a system that created police units to suppress the labor movement, hunt down runaway slaves, and suppress Italian/Irish minorities in booming US cities turn of the century. Today's police departments at the local and state level are descendants of those units, and have never let go of that warrior mentality weaponized against black people today.
There are good and incompetent people in every profession, and the expectation is not for every cop to turn good all of a sudden. It's to get rid of a system that enables flagrantly bad cops to kill and maim, and provides incentives for this sort of behavior to continue.
Honestly, the gaslighting of America's history in the last few 100 years alone is reason enough for minorities to feel enraged, that's before you get into the actual injustice.
"My brother is dead but my moral standards are intact. That's a win."
So a 7 second clip of an incident you or I know nothing about proves police throughout the UK are racist and brutalise people. Right okay.
Do you want a proper answer to this? You can punch someone in the head or even in the bollocks if you prefer. It's all about using reasonable force which is proportionate, lawful, appropriate and necessary. From a 7 second clip I can't give a full opinion on ihim punching the guy (most appears to be hammer fists to his back BTW) even though it looks excessive.
Of course it is untrue. Just rehashed propaganda.
Some countries did far better than others. Vietnam who shares a border with China has 0 deaths, the US has 105K. Some countries did far better than others (with far less resources), it was not matter of luck.
Anyway, as you said, it is not the thread for this.
Very apt response. I'm looking for a good Kumbaya video that posters can play while reading that wall of rubbish.
This is why there should be an inquiry post incident.
The moral high ground?
Yeah, that went well vs a racist arsehole cop who had the actual high ground and a knee to the fecking throat.
It's ok though, the dead man had the moral high ground because he wasn't violent back.
Yeah, that went well vs a racist arsehole cop who had the actual high ground and a knee to the fecking throat.
It's ok though, the dead man had the moral high ground because he wasn't violent back.
I give up - I genuinely can’t see how people think rioting will get results.
all I see happening are people dying or fecking up their lives if they get caught, arrested and charged.
just seen a video in Rochester Ny of an older husband and wife beaten with 2x4s for protecting their store from “protestors”.
How they will help the US government realise there is a problem if institutional racism I have no fecking idea.
all I see happening are people dying or fecking up their lives if they get caught, arrested and charged.
just seen a video in Rochester Ny of an older husband and wife beaten with 2x4s for protecting their store from “protestors”.
How they will help the US government realise there is a problem if institutional racism I have no fecking idea.
I was honestly expecting a MLK quote about how he wouldn't have stood for this.
I don't disagree. I also believe there has to be changes to America society on the whole as to get rid of that very system means doing more than focusing on the police alone in my opinion. It runs much deeper than that.
We don’t need an enquiry to tell us that Trump ignored the warnings given to him during the transition of the risk of a pandemic and that he disbanded the US Govt. Pandemic Response unit.
To make any suggestion that nobody could have seen this coming is a lie, plain and simple.
you think these protestors are going to scare the government into acting? Trump will send in the national guard or army ffs.
Violence isn’t the answer! The protestors need everyone behind them because things need to change but how can people condone such mindless violence. That was my point about morale high ground - you need people behind the cause, not in shock at seeing young men and women acting like they want to turn their city into a mad max movie
this would have to last about 400 years and get a whole lot more intense before the protesters lose the moral highground
And it's not just about George Floyd. It's also about Amy Cooper and Ahmad Arbery, it's about a system that effectively creative a context where some white folks are convinced that they can take someones life or threaten their freedom based on the color of their own skin.
Just wait and see.
The thing that you are failing to see is that the people were actually dying and their lives were being destroyed cause of the crime of being born black.
People who have not been part of the oppressed society often fail to see that these types of protests is the last option. These guys have nothing to lose, the possibility of being killed, maimed or their lives being destroyed in these protests is not different to the possibility of them being killed, maimed or their life being destroyed in any day, cause some cop with a small penis decides to do so.
Wait till you see the violence committed to millions of enslaved africans and native americans over 100's of years, that to this day, hasn't been reconciled at the hands of the very system that you're suggesting has any kind of morality towards minorities.
The US Government understands there's a problem of institutional racism.
The US Government has sanctioned dozens of murders & hundreds of attacks against minority communities.
Seriously, I'm sure your heart is in the right place but it comes across like you don't know your American history.
nah, you're just a racist who wants to obfuscate and it's very easy to see through
I think you need to take a days break from this thread. Thinks are too heated right now and in my opinion you are not been doing yourself any favors over the last few pages. Your input is invaluable to this thread and your posts are the ones I've paid most attention to but take a breather pal.
We are sick of police brutality and corruption in all its forms right now and we want change so I feel people are frustrated with you because you are now putting a coppers spin on everything.
What does losing the moral high ground mean in this instance? Does it mean now that I’ve watched a few clips of the riots I think, actually, I was against racially charged police brutality, but now I think that I’m ok with it.
It’s making a wave though. I hope no one gets killed, or hurt. By keeping the status quo though, how many have been hurt by that? Inaction can be the most brutal choice of all. As oppressed people rose up and cast off their chains, would you have told them to put down their weapons, that nothing but a peaceful resolution would work? To give it time?
I wasn't aware of the Pandemic Unit. It can't be a lie if I didn't know that was the case. Anyway there should always be an inquiry otherwise theres no accountability, transparency and wider learning.
It’s about the system, Floyd and Cooper are just figureheads (of being killed for no reason, and of being threaten to call the police cause you’re black). It is just the culmination of 400 years of oppression.
I don’t know it and I am not saying that there isn’t just cause, I just fail to see how the riots will achieve any sort of intended outcome.
Who is saying "rioting" will get results? It's like you automatically think these protests were deliberately turned into riots by the people out there. Like there's no other forces at play, like the cops aren't escalating themselves, like Trump isn't adding fuel to the fire.
What people who actually live that life are saying, people the likes of you and I should fecking well listen too, is that every other option continually fails. And when those options fail, and people die, what else is left?
So now it's "protesters" and not "rioters"
Dude, take a step back and see how your own thoughts are muddled on this.
What are you expecting to happen?
There's something tremendously wrong about societies that are in endless need of enquiries. Too often, these are efforts to shape a story for the masses & attempts to get the culprits' stories straight before offering up expendable scapegoats, rather than the resolve to change the things that lead to the enquiries.
White people trying to tell black people how they should react to their oppression would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
Kaepernick and some of his colleagues tried to peacefully and respectfully protest against police brutality in a public and the President of the United States called them sons of bitches and unpatriotic and said they should get out of the country if they don’t like their lot.
I mean for feck sake.
Kaepernick and some of his colleagues tried to peacefully and respectfully protest against police brutality in a public and the President of the United States called them sons of bitches and unpatriotic and said they should get out of the country if they don’t like their lot.
I mean for feck sake.
No sympathy for protesters getting fecking creamed by police all over the country?
The people who have been turned away from the cause by the last few nights, were never with it in the first place
For the most part what I'm seeing for these people is support. Overwhelming support not just from America, but all over the world. The people who are looking at this in shock are the same people who probably don't see Floyd being killed as any big deal, or understand why this had to be done. The people looking on in shock were never going to get behind this cause in the first place.
I didn’t say there shouldn’t be one, I said we don’t need one to know those facts.
Loss of lives, property damage, disruption to business.
None of which makes for good PR and enough of it will force politicians and corporations to get off their arses and make some changes.
Of course, given what we know, it’s likely that the changes will be reactionary, with more police brutality and martial law being declared, but at least that may force the pearl clutchers like you to finally pick a side.
It's very difficult to learn enough history to understand why we are where we are, let alone before agenda driven groups whitewash history to shape their own narrative.
One of the most vivid experiences of my life was watching 'Roots' as a young child on TV. Those feelings permanently educated me to feel like I do. And I'm glad Netflix recently produced a new version of that story. Tarrantino did an excellent job too with Django Unchained. Ditto the recent Godfather of Harlem about Bumpy Johnson and Malcolm X. Many many more in between.
I hope cultural story tellers continue to educate all about USA's history of black citizen oppression, and explain simply why we are where we are.
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Kaepernick lost his job over it
Yeah you're likely right. I don't think anyone wants to hear a different view right now which is fair enough given how emotionally involved some posters will be about all of this. I've been quite critical of the police, as others have noted, but it does feel that anyone who doesn't wish to go with the "pro-riot hate everything to do with the police" line simply gets abuse irrespective of the points they wish to make.
And people have told you multiple times that decades of peacefull protests have achieved nothing. It's a bit like looking at french revolution and suggesting that a peaceful protest would have been more efficient, they tried and it didn't work. Rioting will most likely not work because the system is rotten and completely controlled by the sources of the unrest but being peaceful won't and hasn't worked at all.