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What is justice? True justice is due process. This country was founded on this principle
What is justice? True justice is due process. This country was founded on this principle
Incredible stupidity.Her response to Blacklivesmatter - "Nobody has the balls to touch them... which really makes you wonder about the oppression they keep screeching about. Seems like they have some pretty special privleges if you ask me."
its not just the cops on the street is it, its ingrained in the powers above them. And consider the laughable coroner report about no signs of strangulation and probable drug intake. While the whole world was waiting for that reportI'm not sure anymore, I know some of them are good some are bad. I just don't think the good is that much more, and what good do they do if they can't stop the bad guys?
They're not civilian, I can understand if civilian keeps quite, they're LEO sword to serve and protect and they fail to do so.
Harsh but fair. Or something.It’s recognised as normality therefore doesn’t exist, more like
With all due respect, what a load of bullshit!Based on what I tend to see in this forum, I'm sure people will argue against this, but the vast majority of cops are good people that do a thankless, dangerous job and genuinely care about protecting all citizens, as per their oath. The vast majority are just as outraged that someone that took an oath to protect and serve has needlessly taken a life and damaged the trust that so many officers and police departments have worked hard to build. Is the system perfect? Hell no. Are some cops or even departments bad/racist/crooked? Absolutely. But to paint all of them as bad is unfair and inaccurate. Cops around the country, that had absolutely nothing to do with Floyd's death, are being screamed at, assaulted, having projectiles thrown at them ranging from fireworks to bottles urine and watching people spray paint things like "kill all pigs" around their city. I can't imagine what it must feel like to put your life on the line day in and day out to protect all citizens and then be subject to this because of what happened hundreds or thousands of miles away. I can't imagine what a frustrating and confusing time it must be for black police officers around the country.
People have every right to protest. Every right to be outraged. Every right to demand justice. And the vast majority are doing so peacefully and legitimately want change and justice. Then you have opportunists and anarchists stoking the flames and inciting riots, destruction of property and further divisiveness. I've seen countless videos of peaceful black protesters intervening on little antifa thugs trying to turn peaceful demonstrations violent. There are forces, domestic and international, trying to use this situation for their benefit to destabilize our society, not to bring justice for Floyd and end systemic issues.
I'm appalled by the number of people condoning the violence, the riots, the looting. How is it justified to burn and loot around the country because of what happened in Minneapolis? I don't think those actions are justified there, either, but one could at least argue that they are acting against the institution that caused Floyd's death. The Atlanta, Baltimore, DC, New York, etc. etc. police departments have nothing to do with Minneapolis.
What is justice? True justice is due process. This country was founded on this principle and these riots will not subvert anyone's right to a fair trial (which in this case I hope ends in convictions). But due process takes time. The process is underway, we have to let it run its course. In the meantime, I support everyone's right to peacefully demonstrate their outrage and their demands for change, but violence, destruction and theft don't do that.
We can only improve as a country if we are united, and the country is certainly united in wanting justice for Floyd. This incident has the power to bring about true change by bringing everyone together (as we've seen by the unity demonstrated by the majority of the protestors from all walks of life, and from many cops who have held banners supporting justice for Floyd while doing their job to maintain peace during demonstrations), but these riots (not the protests) are doing the opposite and do no honor or justice for Floyd or the others who have similarly suffered.
As a Brit who is a proud nationalized US citizen, I love this country and all of the people that are a part of it. It breaks my heart to see those that want to leverage injustice to bring about more divisiveness and anarchy, winning.
That’s all well and good except your country was founded on a bunch of rich white slave owners rebelling against their British overlords because they didn’t want to pay more tax. The country was literally born out of the American revolution. Due process never had any place there, and America was never founded on any principle of equality.
As for the good cops thing, that’s such a tired cliche. If you’re a good cop, you don’t sit by while abuses of power take place all around you. If there’s one racist in the office who abuses his power and targets black people, and nine other officers who don’t, but know that this officer does it, then there are ten bad officers as far as I’m concerned.
This was a really nice, chest thumping way of saying “We’re all in this together, let’s hold hands and get along and figure out a peaceful way through this” but that exact line of thinking hasn’t work for the past few decades, so people can be excused for thinking that it won’t do much good now.
Yeah, totally got a grip on this current situation and why there are mass protests...We can only improve as a country if we are united, and the country is certainly united in wanting justice for Floyd.
You’re a Brit, so do you remember the Macpherson Report?Based on what I tend to see in this forum, I'm sure people will argue against this, but the vast majority of cops are good people that do a thankless, dangerous job and genuinely care about protecting all citizens, as per their oath. The vast majority are just as outraged that someone that took an oath to protect and serve has needlessly taken a life and damaged the trust that so many officers and police departments have worked hard to build. Is the system perfect? Hell no. Are some cops or even departments bad/racist/crooked? Absolutely. But to paint all of them as bad is unfair and inaccurate. Cops around the country, that had absolutely nothing to do with Floyd's death, are being screamed at, assaulted, having projectiles thrown at them ranging from fireworks to bottles urine and watching people spray paint things like "kill all pigs" around their city. I can't imagine what it must feel like to put your life on the line day in and day out to protect all citizens and then be subject to this because of what happened hundreds or thousands of miles away. I can't imagine what a frustrating and confusing time it must be for black police officers around the country.
People have every right to protest. Every right to be outraged. Every right to demand justice. And the vast majority are doing so peacefully and legitimately want change and justice. Then you have opportunists and anarchists stoking the flames and inciting riots, destruction of property and further divisiveness. I've seen countless videos of peaceful black protesters intervening on little antifa thugs trying to turn peaceful demonstrations violent. There are forces, domestic and international, trying to use this situation for their benefit to destabilize our society, not to bring justice for Floyd and end systemic issues.
I'm appalled by the number of people condoning the violence, the riots, the looting. How is it justified to burn and loot around the country because of what happened in Minneapolis? I don't think those actions are justified there, either, but one could at least argue that they are acting against the institution that caused Floyd's death. The Atlanta, Baltimore, DC, New York, etc. etc. police departments have nothing to do with Minneapolis.
What is justice? True justice is due process. This country was founded on this principle and these riots will not subvert anyone's right to a fair trial (which in this case I hope ends in convictions). But due process takes time. The process is underway, we have to let it run its course. In the meantime, I support everyone's right to peacefully demonstrate their outrage and their demands for change, but violence, destruction and theft don't do that.
We can only improve as a country if we are united, and the country is certainly united in wanting justice for Floyd. This incident has the power to bring about true change by bringing everyone together (as we've seen by the unity demonstrated by the majority of the protestors from all walks of life, and from many cops who have held banners supporting justice for Floyd while doing their job to maintain peace during demonstrations), but these riots (not the protests) are doing the opposite and do no honor or justice for Floyd or the others who have similarly suffered.
As a Brit who is a proud nationalized US citizen, I love this country and all of the people that are a part of it. It breaks my heart to see those that want to leverage injustice to bring about more divisiveness and anarchy, winning.
Try having some empathy before you jump onto your soap box. Just personalise this for a moment. Think up the reason you and millions of others would be prepared to risk spreading this pandemic virus.And just to reiterate, we’re in the middle of a fecking global pandemic!!
The pictures of crowds of protestors in London is fecking insane.
We'll end up seeing a spike again because of this and given the disproportionate impact on BAME patients, it’s just mental for people to be acting this way.
Again, what happened to George Floyd in America is abhorrent but put down your signs and stay the feck home.
To be fair it's much more coherent and well structured than your own input which has been to promote rioting, not protesting, across the world.With all due respect, what a load of bullshit!
Knee neck cranks are banned in MMA!!! Not sure what else there is to say!Thats a military technique used to subdue non combatants. It's either taught by the warrior training that many police departments recieve or it's bought over from the military by ex soldiers.
It's denial, and a sort of selfishness as well. The status quo works for a lot of people, and so while some of them have a heart and a conscience and want to make things better for everyone, a lot of people for whom the status quo works, have no desire for things to change, and they just want their peace and calm. That's all that matters to them.Is it a kind of cowardice or denial against uncomfortable truths which leads some, on seeing someone shouting about injustice, to think: 'That person is destroying the peace and calm of my nice neighbourhood. And that's the important thing, not injustice...'?
It's hard to pick apart what you don't agree with when the entire post is full of manure from top to bottom.To be fair it's much more coherent and well structured than your own input which has been to promote rioting, not protesting, across the world.
Pick apart what you don't agree with by all means but to just respond with that given what you've been saying is nonsense.
You're right. They need to be trained to stand up to their colleagues, even if they are authority figures, if they see something that's wrong. It's not acceptable to sit back and watch. But there are so many cops in the US dealing with ridiculous things every day and doing the right thing, we just only hear about these incidences so reality is clouded by perception. It's not an excuse, but there's an element of human nature here as well (see Milgram's experiment). These cops are, after all, human.I'm not sure anymore, I know some of them are good some are bad. I just don't think the good is that much more, and what good do they do if they can't stop the bad guys?
They're not civilian, I can understand if civilian keeps quite, they're LEO sword to serve and protect and they fail to do so.
Look at the protest for example, the bad cops shoves and brutalized protester, what's the other cops doing? if a 100 police can't and won't stop the 1 that violates the law can you tell me they're good cop?
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I bet they were on their way to some emergency and they were blocked by the violently sitting protesters
It’s even worse than that, they didn’t want to pay more taxes that were levied to pay for debts incurred in the Seven Years War that was fought by the British Crown to protect the colonists’s interest.That’s all well and good except your country was founded on a bunch of rich white slave owners rebelling against their British overlords because they didn’t want to pay more tax. The country was literally born out of the American revolution. Due process never had any place there, and America was never founded on any principle of equality.
I think there are deep rooted problems within American culture and society which have allowed aspects of the police in that country to become a paramilitary machine. Laws around guns don't help and I must say I've been pretty shocked by a number of videos published in recent days with regards to how the police have been dealing with things and I don't think law enforcement's in the US has painted itself in a good picture in the slightest. That said I'm not as naive as some to carte blanche refuse to accept there's any good good officers in the States as there obviously will be. If there isn't then it means American society is totally screwed given the police are recruited from the very pool of people they serve.Based on what I tend to see in this forum, I'm sure people will argue against this, but the vast majority of cops are good people that do a thankless, dangerous job and genuinely care about protecting all citizens, as per their oath. The vast majority are just as outraged that someone that took an oath to protect and serve has needlessly taken a life and damaged the trust that so many officers and police departments have worked hard to build. Is the system perfect? Hell no. Are some cops or even departments bad/racist/crooked? Absolutely. But to paint all of them as bad is unfair and inaccurate. Cops around the country, that had absolutely nothing to do with Floyd's death, are being screamed at, assaulted, having projectiles thrown at them ranging from fireworks to bottles urine and watching people spray paint things like "kill all pigs" around their city. I can't imagine what it must feel like to put your life on the line day in and day out to protect all citizens and then be subject to this because of what happened hundreds or thousands of miles away. I can't imagine what a frustrating and confusing time it must be for black police officers around the country.
People have every right to protest. Every right to be outraged. Every right to demand justice. And the vast majority are doing so peacefully and legitimately want change and justice. Then you have opportunists and anarchists stoking the flames and inciting riots, destruction of property and further divisiveness. I've seen countless videos of peaceful black protesters intervening on little antifa thugs trying to turn peaceful demonstrations violent. There are forces, domestic and international, trying to use this situation for their benefit to destabilize our society, not to bring justice for Floyd and end systemic issues.
I'm appalled by the number of people condoning the violence, the riots, the looting. How is it justified to burn and loot around the country because of what happened in Minneapolis? I don't think those actions are justified there, either, but one could at least argue that they are acting against the institution that caused Floyd's death. The Atlanta, Baltimore, DC, New York, etc. etc. police departments have nothing to do with Minneapolis.
What is justice? True justice is due process. This country was founded on this principle and these riots will not subvert anyone's right to a fair trial (which in this case I hope ends in convictions). But due process takes time. The process is underway, we have to let it run its course. In the meantime, I support everyone's right to peacefully demonstrate their outrage and their demands for change, but violence, destruction and theft don't do that.
We can only improve as a country if we are united, and the country is certainly united in wanting justice for Floyd. This incident has the power to bring about true change by bringing everyone together (as we've seen by the unity demonstrated by the majority of the protestors from all walks of life, and from many cops who have held banners supporting justice for Floyd while doing their job to maintain peace during demonstrations), but these riots (not the protests) are doing the opposite and do no honor or justice for Floyd or the others who have similarly suffered.
As a Brit who is a proud nationalized US citizen, I love this country and all of the people that are a part of it. It breaks my heart to see those that want to leverage injustice to bring about more divisiveness and anarchy, winning.
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I'm willing to bet my house that every cop has at some point witnessed something out of hand, whether it be some dodgy locker room talk, shady practices, heavy-handed tactics, racial profiling/prejudice, sexist behaviour etc., etc. and not reported or at the very least challenged it. The 'bad apples' thing is just a way of labelling the ones that get caught. 'Good cops' if there is such a thing are very much in the minority.Yeah, I’m not buying most cops are good. They protect each other when the bad cops cross the line. At that point, how they can still be good cops?
Riots and protests are not two very very different things. You need to dispense with the bullshit notion of protests starting and ending totally peaceful, resulting in positive change. At least that's not the history of this country, who's origin and ascendance was steeped in violence against Native Americans and black people.i Sympathise. What happened was disgusting and I want to see justice. Those cops need real sentences.
but riots and protests are two very very different things.
Unfortunately, I think that you have entirely missed the point of these protests.Based on what I tend to see in this forum, I'm sure people will argue against this, but the vast majority of cops are good people that do a thankless, dangerous job and genuinely care about protecting all citizens, as per their oath. The vast majority are just as outraged that someone that took an oath to protect and serve has needlessly taken a life and damaged the trust that so many officers and police departments have worked hard to build. Is the system perfect? Hell no. Are some cops or even departments bad/racist/crooked? Absolutely. But to paint all of them as bad is unfair and inaccurate. Cops around the country, that had absolutely nothing to do with Floyd's death, are being screamed at, assaulted, having projectiles thrown at them ranging from fireworks to bottles urine and watching people spray paint things like "kill all pigs" around their city. I can't imagine what it must feel like to put your life on the line day in and day out to protect all citizens and then be subject to this because of what happened hundreds or thousands of miles away. I can't imagine what a frustrating and confusing time it must be for black police officers around the country.
People have every right to protest. Every right to be outraged. Every right to demand justice. And the vast majority are doing so peacefully and legitimately want change and justice. Then you have opportunists and anarchists stoking the flames and inciting riots, destruction of property and further divisiveness. I've seen countless videos of peaceful black protesters intervening on little antifa thugs trying to turn peaceful demonstrations violent. There are forces, domestic and international, trying to use this situation for their benefit to destabilize our society, not to bring justice for Floyd and end systemic issues.
I'm appalled by the number of people condoning the violence, the riots, the looting. How is it justified to burn and loot around the country because of what happened in Minneapolis? I don't think those actions are justified there, either, but one could at least argue that they are acting against the institution that caused Floyd's death. The Atlanta, Baltimore, DC, New York, etc. etc. police departments have nothing to do with Minneapolis.
What is justice? True justice is due process. This country was founded on this principle and these riots will not subvert anyone's right to a fair trial (which in this case I hope ends in convictions). But due process takes time. The process is underway, we have to let it run its course. In the meantime, I support everyone's right to peacefully demonstrate their outrage and their demands for change, but violence, destruction and theft don't do that.
We can only improve as a country if we are united, and the country is certainly united in wanting justice for Floyd. This incident has the power to bring about true change by bringing everyone together (as we've seen by the unity demonstrated by the majority of the protestors from all walks of life, and from many cops who have held banners supporting justice for Floyd while doing their job to maintain peace during demonstrations), but these riots (not the protests) are doing the opposite and do no honor or justice for Floyd or the others who have similarly suffered.
As a Brit who is a proud nationalized US citizen, I love this country and all of the people that are a part of it. It breaks my heart to see those that want to leverage injustice to bring about more divisiveness and anarchy, winning.
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I guess when a lie is repeated so much, it eventually becomes true.
A protest can and should remain peaceful. If a protest becomes a riot you lose the moral high ground and engage in actions that cannot and should not be justified.Riots and protests are not two very very different things. You need to dispense with the bullshit notion of protests starting and ending totally peaceful, resulting in positive change. At least that's not the history of this country.
That guy looks like a practicing Muslim, this wasn't in a mosque was it?
Why it is ridiculous?Another ridiculous tweet
A 7 second video of part of an incident in the UK proves what exactly? You'll have to help me here.
Then I'm sure it's fine. Nothing to see hereThat guy looks like a practicing Muslim, this wasn't in a mosque was it?
That there is a police brutality issue in the UK.A 7 second video of part of an incident in the UK proves what exactly? You'll have to help me here.
What part of police procedure is thumping a man's head?A 7 second video of part of an incident in the UK proves what exactly? You'll have to help me here.
Because it implies that a choice has been made by the government to kit out the police but not that heath service. Trump is a whopper but we all know that wasn't the case. No one anticipated a global pandemic or the requirement of a specific kind of PPE. Every country in the world has had issues sourcing it and an inquiry should take place post pandemic to see what mistakes were made during procurement but that's just sensationalism.Why it is ridiculous?
Why a country that can arm every cop like a soldier, cannot arm every doctor like a doctor?
Oh wow, the moral high ground. You wouldn't want to lose that, would you? And when in the history of anything has having the moral high ground ever changed anything for the better?A protest can and should remain peaceful. If a protest becomes a riot you lose the moral high ground and engage in actions that cannot and should not be justified.