fcuking hell. felt abit sick.
She’s an attorney for one of the biggest police unions in the country.Is she a somebody?
I want to fecking fight Joseph Murray right fecking now. He is probably 4th generation Scots irish that couldn't name one county in Ireland. What a delusional dick.Tweet
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Ireland apparently won their independence through peaceful protest, in what must be one of the worst takes possible on the protests on Twitter.
They were founded as a Federative Republic after declaring independence from the English crown. He referred to the founding as a positive or negative event. So you either have the United States, or you have the British Colonies. I don't much know which other options there are. Between those, I'll take the Republic.I don't think @Cloud7 is quite playing the 'vs' game. What stats are you comparing btw? Or this this just rhetoric. Cos the death of America's foreign policy and imperialism is pretty substantial dunno if you know.
Sorry, but ex military and people who didn't make the cut for military are two different groups of people aren't they?20% : Large numbers of Police are also those who didn’t make it/cut it in the ‘Defence’ forces. I’ve seen 40% quoted but 20% is backed by data.
I agree they are a continuation of European colonialism. But you just don't see what's happening in US in Europe. So there was some individual evolution along the way wasn't there.They were founded as a Federative Republic after declaring independence from the English crown. He referred to the founding as a positive or negative event. So you either have the United States, or you have the British Colonies. I don't much know which other options there are. Between those, I'll take the Republic.
On a broader note, this isn't a topic where you can just say "America bad". Are we coming at this from the perspective of Europeans? Because they're essentially the instigators of all this. All of the modern Americas is just the continuation of European rule but with political independence. I don't see why there should be a reset of the "atrocity scoreboard" if that's what we're going by.
Did I say anything about England? I was born and grew up on an island that was a British colony right up until 1962, so I'm not sure where you'll have ever found me saying the British Empire is any better than the US. They're both awful. That's a cool argument you proposed there but go tell it to someone it actually applies to.vs the King of England? I'll take United States, thanks.
Canada is a next door possibility of what could have happened if the American Revolution. Not perfect up there but in the context of this thread they have a better track record so...They were founded as a Federative Republic after declaring independence from the English crown. He referred to the founding as a positive or negative event. So you either have the United States, or you have the British Colonies. I don't much know which other options there are. Between those, I'll take the Republic.
On a broader note, this isn't a topic where you can just say "America bad". Are we coming at this from the perspective of Europeans? Because they're essentially the instigators of all this. All of the modern Americas is just the continuation of European rule but with political independence. I don't see why there should be a reset of the "atrocity scoreboard" if that's what we're going by.
For context, I'm Brazilian who just happens to have lived in the US the past few years. Certainly as a Brazilian I don't actually look to throw blame of our immense shortcomings as a society on the Portuguese. But Brazil, the US and much of the rest of the Americas was left to deal with a fairly unique problem in the 19th and 20th centuries which was a significant portion of the population in bondage and also of a very distinct ethnic make-up. It's been dealt with awfully by both the US and Brazil, albeit in different ways. Condemnation is valid. My partial counter-argument though is that we can't be certain that any society would have dealt with it much better. Certainly none of the European countries had almost 15% of the population on their home soil as foreign slaves.I agree they are a continuation of European colonialism. But you just don't see what's happening in US in Europe. So there was some individual evolution along the way wasn't but there.
Europe for all its fault doesn't come close to the level of systemic murdering of POC.
Then as a former colonized you should understand at least one positive about the founding of the US: it was the template for most subsequent independence movements. I'm sorry that it took so long in the case of your country. Is it Trinidad & Tobago or Jamaica?Did I say anything about England? I was born and grew up on an island that was a British colony right up until 1962, so I'm not sure where you'll have ever found me saying the British Empire is any better than the US. They're both awful. That's a cool argument you proposed there but go tell it to someone it actually applies to.
Children of Men 2.Speaking of, if this scene was in a movie it would be winning awards for cinematography:
It's incredible how well timed some of the set pieces are. Hard to believe this is real life.
Trinidad. I feel like something got lost along the way in what you gathered from my post. I didn’t mean the US gaining independence was a bad thing. I meant that since then, they’ve committed a ridiculous amount of atrocities, and since they’ve been in charge of their own destiny, there’s been a lot more negatives than positives associated with them.Then as a former colonized you should understand at least one positive about the founding of the US: it was the template for most subsequent independence movements. I'm sorry that it took so long in the case of your country. Is it Trinidad & Tobago or Jamaica?
That's the perfect comparison. I was trying to put my finger on what it reminded me of.Children of Men 2.
I agree. But just like I often find myself saying, it's a shit silver lining isn't it.My partial counter-argument though is that we can't be certain that any society would have dealt with it much better. Certainly none of the European countries had almost 15% of the population on their home soil as foreign slaves.
Presumably that city was under strict curfew at that moment? Difficult for police in this situation. State ordered curfew is serious shit.Tweet
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Such a coward.CNN is reporting that Trump was stuffed into his underground bunker a couple nights ago for a while.
Protest in Copenhagen.As @SilentWitness also states, UK and USA (also Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden) history is specifically rooted in the enslavement of black people and the slave trade, no matter how much some people try to whitewash the history. Most of these nations also had colonies which pillaged, raped and abused BAME countries too. At certain points of history, what we now consider as racist and inhumane acts were perfectly legal and moral.
Despite best efforts of many, some people in those countries still hold onto these beliefs; and practice in plain sight like Chauvin or most often hidden behind layers of disguise like Amy Cooper (ie: racial discrimination in education, social mobility, professional employment etc).
It's not surprising to me that George Floyd's tragedy is resonating with people in above countries, and those they have subjugated.
One major turning point in this outrage is that finally, many Millennials and Gen X without direct lived experience are also outraged enough to join the street protests. That didn't happen in Rodney King or the major race riots in UK and USA 1960s and is something noteworthy and to be hopeful about.
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That's not terrorism surely? I mean, its not like there's a systematic history of such events being classed as terrorism around the globe...Reports that a truck driver tried to drive through protestors.
I think the truck driver was just being an imbecile. He wanted to get through, but stopped when some guy didn't move out of the way, so fair to say he is not a terrorist.That's not terrorism surely? I mean, its not like there's a systematic history of such events being classed as terrorism around the globe...
Oh is it different because they're white and not muslim?
It's been reported that the highway had been closed for an hour at this point. The implication being he was up to no good.I think the truck driver was just being an imbecile. He wanted to get through, but stopped when some guy didn't move out of the way, so fair to say he is not a terrorist.