You forgot the stupid people who are too dumb to realise they are passing and spreading COVID but within the government rules but look down on others who break these rules but safely. That’s what gets to me more than anything I think, people’s thoughts of superiority while putting others down too stupid to realise what they’re doing
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Your wife did have symptoms though, loss of taste and smell is a common one.
I wish you both good luck and hope you both recover quickly.
The US has vaccinated (or given first jab) to over a million people whilst we're at 400k or something despite starting a week before.
How many did we order again?
How many did we order again?
I meant myself having no symptoms, I must have it right because her symptoms started a few days ago and I have had no symptoms. It's possible I could have been asymptomatic and passed it on to her. She doesn't really go anywhere.
This is very true. A lonely/depressed university student who isn't coming into contact with any vulnerable people for months on end having a beer with another student in their flat is less risky than a care worker going to a packed shopping centre on Xmas eve. However the rhetoric surrounding the former would be almost wholly derogatory (the comments on young people in general have been pretty awful) whilst the latter being responsible for a dozen deaths in the new year wouldn't get a mention.
Gotcha. Good luck fella
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The good news is you don't have covid! The bad news is you're having a stroke.
I just don’t agree with the assessment that any of these people are stupid. These are difficult decisions to weigh up and it is natural to be resentful that we are forced to make these decisions for reasons outside of our control, and it is reasonable to question which rules to follow given the government is not just incompetent but corrupt.
I just think in that scenario people have to judge their own choices by how it impacts on other people. Is the thing I’m doing so important that it justifies putting others at risk? Very few decisions we make in every day life meet that threshold, so cognitive dissonance kicks in. Then we make unwise choices. That isn’t stupidity but other kinds of human frailty, IMO. But it is necessary to call people up on their flawed decision making because otherwise we live in a world that is unreasonably dangerous and compromises too much on society’s wider priorities.
You can’t reject social responsibility while demanding social respect and support. They are part of the same package, you can choose none of them or all of them, but picking and choosing is selfish and irresponsible. That is judgmental and also an accurate judgment. We all do things that are selfish and irresponsible. And it is socially useful that other people point it out, even if we find it unpleasant.
However I agree with you that some people do it purely for mean spiritedness. They don’t like people and they like criticising people. Old curmudgeons have always been about and it has been easy to become one of those as people became more isolated. There is a stereotype for a reason, social disconnection makes it easier. And people in general are hypocrites. Those are all fine judgments too.
The main thing I’m arguing against is the notion that you shouldn’t judge others because it is not empathetic. Judgment has always been a part of society as a tool for social conditioning. In emergencies it plays a bigger role. You can feel what other people feel and still judge their actions critically. Whether you should or not depends a lot on your perspective but it isn’t in and of itself wrong.
Or put simply, the fact we don’t like that people judge our actions critically is not a good reason for it not to happen. Many things we don’t like are necessary for our existence.
If that is the same survey I was given on the doorstep while they swabbed me then I would not put a lot of stock in the data about face coverings. It isn't a measure of how often they wore face coverings, it doesn't define the parameters for acceptable use, and it is especially prone to the social desirability bias. We know 97% of people do not wear it just by walking about the town centres. All that tells you is 97% of people say they do when they're asked on the spot and they are pressured to give the answer the interviewer wants to hear. There is a reason why many, many fewer people say they don't wear face coverings when it is asked anonymously.
I agree with probably all of your post, and boy can you type
My gripe wasn’t against judging others but more the people who judge others while having no sense of self awareness. See my post earlier about the guy who spends most of the time criticising people for breaking rules and killing people then holds a socially distanced poker party
I travelled 6 and a half hours over the Scottish Border to get home to see my family.
And I'm glad I did, as my brother lay there getting 'bagged' through his trachy to keep him alive. His smile when he opened his eyes and saw me, proved I made the right decision.
Some risks are worth taking.
And I'm glad I did, as my brother lay there getting 'bagged' through his trachy to keep him alive. His smile when he opened his eyes and saw me, proved I made the right decision.
Some risks are worth taking.
That's quite something . .
It is when the situation in London is about to become an absolute shitshow apparently...
Yeah I would just call people like that straight up dickheadsI agree with probably all of your post, and boy can you type
My gripe wasn’t against judging others but more the people who judge others while having no sense of self awareness. See my post earlier about the guy who spends most of the time criticising people for breaking rules and killing people then holds a socially distanced poker party
Going to put myself into a strict Lockdown when I return and wait for this to all blow over. Grateful to be able to WFH.
I'd imagine they have more doses and a lot more people to administer them.
So much of this is down to lack of central leadership
On a friday afternoon late about a few weeks ago we got a call saying we've got until the Monday afterwards to agree whether our surgery would vaccinate program for the older than 80s and ready to go within the week.
GP practices were initially told that even if they couldn't sign up that wouldn't be a problem because their patients would still be vaccinated (by other surgeries within the primary care network) but that turned out not to be true and practices signing up had priority
So we signed up. Visited the vaccination place. 3 small cubicles in a urgent care centre, one disabled toilet for cleaning in between patients on the 3rd floor between the 3 of them. Lifts we were told would need a thorough clean in between each patient, then after signing up we were told patient need observing 15 minutes after for anaphylaxis symptoms. Then we had to change our appt times as word went out that vaccine after thawing is only recommended for fridge temps for 3 days rather than 5.
Sourced covid marshalls to guide patients on the day. Logistical nightmare because of anticipated parking trouble too. Appointments sent out, comms sent to care homes etc, went on radio station to advertise vaccine, allay/answer concerns in punjabi, gujrati, hindi, english. A few days prior - told shipment issue and no vaccine, please tell your patients not to come.
Having had to rearrange everything now after all that for first week of January and contact all patients ourselves.
In the mean time I am seeing patients face to face who despite symptoms are ever increasingly are testing positive for covid later on despite having symptoms so I'm at risk because I'm examining throats of infectious patients.
All the while sent out dozens of messages to occupational health because I also work in hospital to get me a vaccination but no reply when I know senior managers, admin types who have minimal clinical consults have had it ahead of me. In addition, patient caseload and morbidity from covid and everything else increasing but our hospital trust currently working on black alert, OPEL 4 (meaning bed capacity challenged due to bed restrictions and high occupancy)
The fact that in a national emergency we are not having the army giving our vaccines en masse is beyond me with everything that is happening
P.S. Happy christmas everybody, look after yourselves.
On a friday afternoon late about a few weeks ago we got a call saying we've got until the Monday afterwards to agree whether our surgery would vaccinate program for the older than 80s and ready to go within the week.
GP practices were initially told that even if they couldn't sign up that wouldn't be a problem because their patients would still be vaccinated (by other surgeries within the primary care network) but that turned out not to be true and practices signing up had priority
So we signed up. Visited the vaccination place. 3 small cubicles in a urgent care centre, one disabled toilet for cleaning in between patients on the 3rd floor between the 3 of them. Lifts we were told would need a thorough clean in between each patient, then after signing up we were told patient need observing 15 minutes after for anaphylaxis symptoms. Then we had to change our appt times as word went out that vaccine after thawing is only recommended for fridge temps for 3 days rather than 5.
Sourced covid marshalls to guide patients on the day. Logistical nightmare because of anticipated parking trouble too. Appointments sent out, comms sent to care homes etc, went on radio station to advertise vaccine, allay/answer concerns in punjabi, gujrati, hindi, english. A few days prior - told shipment issue and no vaccine, please tell your patients not to come.
Having had to rearrange everything now after all that for first week of January and contact all patients ourselves.
In the mean time I am seeing patients face to face who despite symptoms are ever increasingly are testing positive for covid later on despite having symptoms so I'm at risk because I'm examining throats of infectious patients.
All the while sent out dozens of messages to occupational health because I also work in hospital to get me a vaccination but no reply when I know senior managers, admin types who have minimal clinical consults have had it ahead of me. In addition, patient caseload and morbidity from covid and everything else increasing but our hospital trust currently working on black alert, OPEL 4 (meaning bed capacity challenged due to bed restrictions and high occupancy)
The fact that in a national emergency we are not having the army giving our vaccines en masse is beyond me with everything that is happening
P.S. Happy christmas everybody, look after yourselves.
But the logistics impress me. Surely moving this around is difficult and getting people ready etc. is not as easy. I do personally feel our has been too slow, mainly getting it around to where it needs to be. I get it's low temp etc. but we should have planned more effectively
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Imagine being surprised London’s rates are surging now after they have been left in tier2 as a political favour.
Didn’t take a scientist to work out this would happen as Christmas approached with or without a new strain.
Didn’t take a scientist to work out this would happen as Christmas approached with or without a new strain.
Yeah about the second one week of January when the hospital numbers are through the roof
I was discussing this with a friend and wondered how ridiculous this was:
People seem to hate lockdown's. But if the government said we are locking down just so we can vaccinate as many people as possible. I think people would back that. So it's a short term thing for a couple weeks with the aim just to vaccinate people.
I initially thought this could be done without a national lockdown but then this also stops it spreading more, so stops being a whack a mole game.
If Oxford is ready by next week, could we by mid Jan not just go crazy with vaccinating people? Cos from what others said, we have 40 million doses ready?
People seem to hate lockdown's. But if the government said we are locking down just so we can vaccinate as many people as possible. I think people would back that. So it's a short term thing for a couple weeks with the aim just to vaccinate people.
I initially thought this could be done without a national lockdown but then this also stops it spreading more, so stops being a whack a mole game.
If Oxford is ready by next week, could we by mid Jan not just go crazy with vaccinating people? Cos from what others said, we have 40 million doses ready?
Said on Sunday the UK should be in tier 4.
It's going to be devastating if this spreads and I'm really worried cases in the North West and Greater Manchester will shoot through the roof again. We have the lowest rate of this new strain and were second lowest in cases after the south west but rates have risen.
Damage could be vast with this week of non action and people traveling around, could see 1000-2000 a day die again.
It's going to be devastating if this spreads and I'm really worried cases in the North West and Greater Manchester will shoot through the roof again. We have the lowest rate of this new strain and were second lowest in cases after the south west but rates have risen.
Damage could be vast with this week of non action and people traveling around, could see 1000-2000 a day die again.
Absolutely, they just don’t learn from the previous two lockdowns. We waited too long in Feb/March and it cost us weeks.
He should have announced Tier 4 yesterday for everyone and then let Brexit news takeover a bit
From Los Angeles, which is currently the epicenter for new infections and new hospitalizations the problem is twofold.
First, are the selfish cnut business owners who are making people come into the office despite their job being perfectly capable of being done 98-100% from home. I just quit the job I was working at because the owner still has a thing about making people come into the office. I know people who have now gotten COVID from co-workers in the office when they could and should have been working from home.
The other is the absolute entitlement many people feel embodied by all the people from 18-year-olds to 60-year-olds I've heard/seen say some variant of "I don't have to wear a wear, its a 'free' country". The combination of unwilling plus unable is probably at least 50% here in LA which is why its seeing such an explosion in new cases.
I cant believe how many people on the web think it isnt real and that we shouldnt lock down.
The internet does have a tend to over inflate the volume of opinions, and serve up opinions to engage you on.
Just read Johnson's July statement in which he expressed his hope to restore normality by Xmas. My god, that did not age well.
I made the mistake of going to the comments on a Daily Mail article and the top comment with over 2k likes was basically claiming its made up and not dangerous.
If a person catches Covid from another, we know it can take a few days before any symptoms show.
But, how long does it take the person to become a transmitter? A few hours, a day?
I'm v concerned for Retail workers on boxing day when people will pile in for discounts/sale, customers don't give a feck they want a bargain, and staff have no choice but to do their job, no social distancing (customers constantly getting close to staff) or stores packaed.
Tomorrows a huge day for transmission, hence the question
But, how long does it take the person to become a transmitter? A few hours, a day?
I'm v concerned for Retail workers on boxing day when people will pile in for discounts/sale, customers don't give a feck they want a bargain, and staff have no choice but to do their job, no social distancing (customers constantly getting close to staff) or stores packaed.
Tomorrows a huge day for transmission, hence the question
It's all quiet here, we're in the first of three "red zone" lockdowns for four days, starting today. I don't expect to see anyone when I take the dogs out tomorrow - I have to stay near the house according to the rules, in any case. There'll be another four-day one starting 31st December, with other restrictions in place on the days in between.
I think it's appropriate that the whole country is doing the same thing. Cases in our region aren't high, but I think it's easier for everyone to accept when everyone is in the same boat.
I think it's appropriate that the whole country is doing the same thing. Cases in our region aren't high, but I think it's easier for everyone to accept when everyone is in the same boat.
A am already at home for an hour now. In Germany X-mas family celebrations are limited to a household and max. 4 other people + kids below 14. And there is a nightly curfew from 9 pm to 5 am.
Quality control
They ain’t wrong.
Yep. And obviously only the most stupid people would think they ain't wrong.
How do you know it doesn’t exist, is it the IFP nut job that looks like she is going through a mental breakdown, or some other Karen on YouTube, because they are all full of shit, it exists anyone who says otherwise is like flat earth idiot.