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I may be wrong but wouldn’t a further mutation be expected to be weaker/milder again, even if potentially as contagious as omicron?Until it evolves again and takes a dump on your head
I may be wrong but wouldn’t a further mutation be expected to be weaker/milder again, even if potentially as contagious as omicron?Until it evolves again and takes a dump on your head
Yeah they say that but who wants a dump on their head? Nobody I’d wagerI may be wrong but wouldn’t a further mutation be expected to be weaker/milder again, even if potentially as contagious as omicron?
When you put it that way…Yeah they say that but who wants a dump on their head? Nobody I’d wager
I think that depends on it being a direct or close evolution from omicron where as there's every chance you'll get other strains mutate.I may be wrong but wouldn’t a further mutation be expected to be weaker/milder again, even if potentially as contagious as omicron?
Correct. And omicron wasn’t a direct descendant of any of the other recent variants. It came from a much earlier branch of the family tree. So if history repeats itself we could end up with a tweaked version of delta, rather than omicron 2.0.I think that depends on it being a direct or close evolution from omicron where as there's every chance you'll get other strains mutate.
At least that's what I've gleamed from articles covering that question.
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In terms of principles, I'm still suggesting anyone who knows they're at risk or still feels vulnerable - wear a KN95/FFP2 mask and avoid crowded indoor spaces.What's the feeling on here about masks now? I went out at the weekend and was in an increasingly small minority that was wearing one on the bus, in shops and in a bar. In the bar I reckon there were two of us out of 100 or so.
I don't mind either wearing one or not wearing one, but I'm still doing it out of a mixture of habit and a sense of community spirit. It just seems the community doesn't care any more. There's also the added benefit of keeping my face nice and warm in the cold and windy weather we're having in Manchester at the moment.
Kind of the response I was expecting, although in a lot more detail. Thanks as ever Jo.In terms of principles, I'm still suggesting anyone who knows they're at risk or still feels vulnerable - wear a KN95/FFP2 mask and avoid crowded indoor spaces.
Personally though I'll follow the rules where they still exist, my maskwearing days are coming to an end - I want to see people's faces, I want my deaf nephew to be able to lipread people again, I'm fed up of my glasses steaming up etc. I do wear a mask on public transport and in supermarkets etc - as an act of solidarity, rather than because I think it makes a significant dent in the omicron R rate. In a bar? No, not really or at least not consistently. I used to wear one on arrival and when moving around, but I think the risk is now so high once you're in a bar/restaurant etc that it's basically pointless, I also think you have to accept that risk if you choose to go in.
It's worth looking at the risk analysis from this study. This assumes a community level covid infection level of 1% (a lot lower than the UK at present. Some people see it as an argument for mask wearing in indoor and outdoor settings - I see it as a reminder that they don't fix much unless you plan to sit outdoors in silence:
I stopped wearing mine when the restrictions ended on the 27th of January.What's the feeling on here about masks now? I went out at the weekend and was in an increasingly small minority that was wearing one on the bus, in shops and in a bar. In the bar I reckon there were two of us out of 100 or so.
I don't mind either wearing one or not wearing one, but I'm still doing it out of a mixture of habit and a sense of community spirit. It just seems the community doesn't care any more. There's also the added benefit of keeping my face nice and warm in the cold and windy weather we're having in Manchester at the moment.
I generally don't like following the direction of Boris Johnson, and his policy based on trying to distract the general public from his (and his party's) wrongdoings. So I continued to wear them in busy public places. No judgement of anyone who didn't, mind.I stopped wearing mine when the restrictions ended on the 27th of January.
I was more following law than that dosser Boris. The logic of not wearing them in pubs and restaurants made no sense so personally it was inevitable that when the mandate ended that I would follow suit.I generally don't like following the direction of Boris Johnson, and his policy based on trying to distract the general public from his (and his party's) wrongdoings. So I continued to wear them in busy public places. No judgement of anyone who didn't, mind.
I know this is an old post. My mother is 63, triple vaxxed but tested positive for covid (presumably omicron) 7 days ago. Still positive a week on with LFT.Wishing anybody who's tested positive here well. Remember DO NOT ignore shortness of breath, being unable to form full sentences without getting breathless or chest pain with this thing. Seek help if so.
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NHS helpline:I know this is an old post. My mother is 63, triple vaxxed but tested positive for covid (presumably omicron) 7 days ago. Still positive a week on with LFT.
She's not breathless, but since she tested positive she does get 'out of breath' quite easily when walking around the house, fine if she's sitting down. She can hold conversations just fine.
I'd assume this is fairly normal? as breathlessness is specifically mentioned on the NHS website as a symptom of covid.
That graph's colouring is a bit skewed - 16 the same as 99, and not that different from .25.In terms of principles, I'm still suggesting anyone who knows they're at risk or still feels vulnerable - wear a KN95/FFP2 mask and avoid crowded indoor spaces.
Personally though I'll follow the rules where they still exist, my maskwearing days are coming to an end - I want to see people's faces, I want my deaf nephew to be able to lipread people again, I'm fed up of my glasses steaming up etc. I do wear a mask on public transport and in supermarkets etc - as an act of solidarity, rather than because I think it makes a significant dent in the omicron R rate. In a bar? No, not really or at least not consistently. I used to wear one on arrival and when moving around, but I think the risk is now so high once you're in a bar/restaurant etc that it's basically pointless, I also think you have to accept that risk if you choose to go in.
It's worth looking at the risk analysis from this study. This assumes a community level covid infection level of 1% (a lot lower than the UK at present. Some people see it as an argument for mask wearing in indoor and outdoor settings - I see it as a reminder that they don't fix much unless you plan to sit outdoors in silence:
Any new dominant variant will almost certainly have to be more contagious. It could be more or less virulent that the strain it mutates from (as long as it is not so virulent that the host dies fast enough to offset the increased infectiousness).I may be wrong but wouldn’t a further mutation be expected to be weaker/milder again, even if potentially as contagious as omicron?
Until the next variant yeah, covids taken a backseat to Russia and Ukraine, high energy bills and the storm.Almost three days without a post in this thread (possibly a record since early 2020?)
Sign of the times, Ireland is ending mandatory testing for under-55s with symptoms (along with mask-wearing and pretty much all other restrictions).
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0218/1281557-mask-rules/
Sorry for late reply on this. Exertional breathlessness is something that needs assessment by GP. Could be post-viral wheeze or something not covid related like a heart valvular issue. May need blood work up or investigations like spirometry. Might not be serious but best to get checked out by a doctor I think especially if not going away.I know this is an old post. My mother is 63, triple vaxxed but tested positive for covid (presumably omicron) 7 days ago. Still positive a week on with LFT.
She's not breathless, but since she tested positive she does get 'out of breath' quite easily when walking around the house, fine if she's sitting down. She can hold conversations just fine.
I'd assume this is fairly normal? as breathlessness is specifically mentioned on the NHS website as a symptom of covid.
The legal requirement to self-isolate after catching Covid in England is expected to be dropped from next week - as part of a "living with Covid" plan.
All remaining virus restrictions in the country are set to end in the coming days, Downing Street said.
Thank you, as it happens that symptom was brief and only during the height of her illness with covid. She's now basically symptom free, spare the odd headache and feeling a bit more run down than normal. Still testing positive even after 12 days! But the LFT 'positive' line is becoming much fainter with each test. I will tell her to call her GP regarding the 'easily out of breath' symptom, but I believe it has now disappeared.Sorry for late reply on this. Exertional breathlessness is something that needs assessment by GP. Could be post-viral wheeze or something not covid related like a heart valvular issue. May need blood work up or investigations like spirometry. Might not be serious but best to get checked out by a doctor I think especially if not going away.
As always, those numbers can be misleading as they can conflate “dying with” and “dying from”. Plus it can miss people dying with covid who didn’t get tested. Excess deaths a better way to gauge the impact and excess deaths during this wave are generally down on previous waves. Often by quite a lot. In a few European countries they’re actually down on pre-pandemic numbers. The countries with the most effective vaccine roll-outs have suffered the least, obviously.https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ccounts-for-more-u-s-deaths-than-delta-surge/
do european countries/canada have similar numbers?
I assume that free access to testing will go next but, in the meantime, does this now mean that even if you’ve got Covid you can / should go into work unless you’re not well enough to work (like with a cold or similar)?
You can do loads of comparisons at:https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ccounts-for-more-u-s-deaths-than-delta-surge/
do european countries/canada have similar numbers?
I’m not sure but it seems like no more legal requirement to isolate. But they’ll probably reveal further closer to the time.I assume that free access to testing will go next but, in the meantime, does this now mean that even if you’ve got Covid you can / should go into work unless you’re not well enough to work (like with a cold or similar)?
my mum works for a health centre and put herself forward for some random swab testing they were doing just after a nasty cold she had, after she had omnicron. When the results came back it said she had a virus which basically mimics covid. That’s probably why colds we are getting are a bit nastier currently.I had omicron in December 2021 and a regular cold in early February 2022. Honestly, the regular cold was significantly worse - likely because of a combination of factors including covid vaccines and lack of exposure to colds for around 2 years.
But whatever the case, it's good that the UK is getting ready to drop all restrictions. 91.3% of eligible people have been vaccinated at least once, with the rest probably having some degree of immunity from prior infection. If we can't move on now, we never will.
Incredible really… surreal how badly this has been governed from the very beginning, and you know there’ll be no kick back, no accountability for those responsible.I assume that free access to testing will go next but, in the meantime, does this now mean that even if you’ve got Covid you can / should go into work unless you’re not well enough to work (like with a cold or similar)?
Yes, and you know that a lot of people won't get paid if they’re off sick (or if self employed) so now they will be under pressure to go into work with Covid (but may not want to disclose the fact to colleagues or customers), infecting others who are oblivious to the fact, who may be vulnerable themselves or be visiting family, e.g. in care homes, who are vulnerable. It’s going to be a scary time for those who are vulnerable.Incredible really… surreal how badly this has been governed from the very beginning, and you know there’ll be no kick back, no accountability for those responsible.
There are so many things that could and should’ve been taken from this - masking up when ill like in the Far East, not having people crawling into work when ill, working from home where possible to limit needless pollution etc.
Feels like we’re being led backwards.
Exactly. It just baffles me that they get away with it - time and time again… you’d think there’d be absolute uproar.Yes, and you know that a lot of people won't get paid if they’re off sick (or if self employed) so now they will be under pressure to go into work with Covid (but may not want to disclose the fact to colleagues or customers), infecting others who are oblivious to the fact, who may be vulnerable themselves or be visiting family, e.g. in care homes, who are vulnerable. It’s going to be a scary time for those who are vulnerable.
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I'm frightenedWith todays announcement, we survived Covid then. Well done everyone