That's because it's in society now and unstoppable until a vaccine is found or herd-immunity (if possible) reached, so what's the point of testing you?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Yeah there is absolutely no way these will happen. Even if we have it well under control by then, those festivals typically expect artists and fans from all over the world and there will be plenty of countries still struggling then. They would be ideal places for a new outbreak.Yeah, unfortunately. I was optimistic at first for the summer but it looks nailed on for a RIP Werchter and Pukkelpop
No, hence I didn't reply because I'm pretty certain you can't so felt like wasted typing time.
Damn, and now I've done it again.
I haven't denied God in this thread either Bob, doesn't mean I believe in one.
Good counter point i didnt consider.
What if hes an nhs worker thats into a lockdown now and might not have the virus?
Yet prince Charles can get a test?
Edit.. also if they done some sort of testing or forced isolation for people coking back from italy china etc this eould never have got widespread in the first place.
Sure but then you'd still have to build in a very large margin of error, just to be safe. We've seen how quickly countries have been overwhelmed. No two countries are exactly the same but still, you'd rather be on the safe side and take your measure a week too early instead of too late.
Did you also quote someone claiming God exists and fully agreeing with his post ?
Except that's not actually very helpful is it? Population density is one of the easiest ways for disease to spread, and having most of your people congregated in a few areas rather than spread out across the landmass is not particularly useful.
Yeah same here - one of the best friends of the missus is at the top of the chain for Graspop, they don't really have hope anymore. Heard from a relative yesterday that Werchter cancelled the order for all their T-shirts for crew and stuff as well, so definitely looks like you're right. It sucks but it's the right decision at this point, it's just not worth it to risk it. Same goes for Tomorrowland which attracts people from all over the world, that's just not possible. Gladiolen is already cancelled.
There's still a slimmer of hope in me that Reggae Geel will do an edition for local people only
but even that wouldn't really be the same without the Dutch and other foreigners present.Oh well. I guess it's time for a lot of BBQs then, if that's already allowed again in summer.
There is no "too early". Certainly not in any country were people have been travelling for the past month or so.
I would cut it as close as possible to be honest. The cost of shutting down is so extreme.
It's obvious in context.
There is if you value the economic cost. If you don't then I could agree with you.
How does Italy look side by side @Kentonio
Italy - 206 per Km2
Sweden - 25 per km2
So your point again?
Then also consider that Swedes are famous for living alone in big cities from 18. They rarely flat share and next to never stay with parents. How is that in Italy?
No it's not, it's exactly what happened up until last week.
Hmmm.... once again, it depends what you want the lockdown to achieve and how long you're prepared to lockdown for.
The cost for shutting down too late could be even more extreme. And I can't help but think about all those health workers, what we'd be putting them through by taking measures too late is just horrendously unfair. No amount of daily applaus from our windows is enough for that.
was answering the question asked, not making any judgement on it.
South Africa's 21-day lockdown starts tonight at 00:00 and guess what!
No alcohol and cigarettes to be sold from tomorrow!
No alcohol and cigarettes to be sold from tomorrow!
Me neither mate, was just making the point that it's pointless now testing new arrivals.
South Africa's 21-day lockdown starts tonight at 00:00 and guess what!
No alcohol and cigarettes to be sold from tomorrow!
That’s NOT going to have the desired effect
The lockdown is meant to avoid the ovewhelming of health services. And you have to remain in lockdown until they are able to function "normally".
When cooking rice I like to fill my saucepan to the brink of capacity before adding the water and boiling. It's the science way to do things.
@Ish let me know if I need to send you an express package with some Belgian onesSouth Africa's 21-day lockdown starts tonight at 00:00 and guess what!
No alcohol and cigarettes to be sold from tomorrow!
China ripping off Spain with tests that are 30% accurate while promising 80% accuracy.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-03...onavirus-comprados-en-china-no-funcionan.html
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yes, so if a country is nowhere near being overwhelmed in terms of its health services, then why lockdown unnecessarily and inflict all the damage it does to society/small business etc?
Well you think that Cheltenham being allowed to go ahead was a “great idea” because some businesses made some money, public health be damned, so I think we all know where your values lie.
We started our 21 day lockdown today. Wonder if there's some consensus between some countries on the ideal timeline.South Africa's 21-day lockdown starts tonight at 00:00 and guess what!
No alcohol and cigarettes to be sold from tomorrow!
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Because if it is nowhere overwhelmed it is in risk of being. And it will happen without warning or time to stop it. You have to act one month before things happen. That's how it has been everywhere, without exceptions.
It always is
The problem is the same as it's always been, models aren't accurate enough, in Norway we didn't expect the amount of cases of covid-19 related to Norwegians going skiing abroad (majority related to a bartender, obviously, as afterski is the most important part of going skiing), which meant that it spread faster than anticipated. Considering the amount of countries that have underestimated the rate of spread for their models, it'd hardly be shocking if the same goes for Sweden as well.
The argument that can be made is that if minor safety measures were introduced earlier, like telling people to reconsider going abroad for winter holiday etc, we'd achieve a decent enough rate to achieve herd immunity without the downside of closing shops and going into lockdown.
The plan in Norway is still herd immunity, we're just calling it something else for obvious reasons.
Would you like to think a little more carefully about what you just said? My entire point was that having people congregated in small parts of the country isn't helpful. So how does dividing the total landmass of the country by the population help your case in any way?
You certainly have advantages in a number of regards over Italy, but it would be a very bad mistake to assume that you're somehow just not going to be effected by this and life can go on as normal. It's not going to help having people living alone if people are still free to meet up in bars and restaurants.
Yikes! That strikes me as a very bad idea!South Africa's 21-day lockdown starts tonight at 00:00 and guess what!
No alcohol and cigarettes to be sold from tomorrow!
well this is where all the modelling comes into play. if the health services aren't stretched at all, and you lock everything down, sure, you stopped the risk of them being overwhelmed. but what then? just stay locked down forever? at some point you then have to ease off the restrictions - and with that the same risk will be back (hence the 'second wave'), which takes us straight back to the beginning again.
the UK's numbers saw that without restrictions, the health services would be overwhelmed. so lockdown was the right thing to do. you can't just assume that's also the case for every other country in the world. every country is different, and it's a given we can't stay locked down forever. when you start and finish each lockdown (and there may be more of these, I'm sure) has to be based on the modelling. if Sweden think their numbers show that its health services won't be overwhelmed (and they are modelling into the future), then it makes no sense to lockdown too early.
That's bad news as I suspect that a lot of countries were hoping to use that kit.
It also shows the danger of the over-optimistic cries on hearing that the NHS labs are testing sample kits and hope to have millions of test kits in a couple of weeks. As with the drug trials, there's going to be a lot of failed products and theories - real tests (run as quickly as they can be safely but properly done) are essential. It's also a reminder why rushing into trials or even production of a vaccine has risks of its own.
Thanks for the info
I worry about the poor people in Yemen if/when this takes hold there. Syria as well.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/03/1060302
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...n-face-masks-coronavirus-houthi-measures.html
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/03/1060302
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...n-face-masks-coronavirus-houthi-measures.html