madzo2007
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He initially said 3 months i think. March April May.
Cant see him extending it past that at the same 80 percent, 2.5k
It was extended to the end of June back in April
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He initially said 3 months i think. March April May.
Cant see him extending it past that at the same 80 percent, 2.5k
I wonder if they will just keep it for those that he has specifically told to stay shut eg cinema people etc but that will leave a lot more questions
He just said thats ok. One on one from other households is fine if social distancing outside is adhered to
Presumably she is shielding due to a pre-existing condition, not just the pregnancy?
You’ve such a bizarre way of “debating”. First you completely misrepresent what I said, then you go off on a tangent asking me a load of questions that have feck all to do with anything being discussed. I’ve seen you take a similar approach with loads of people. It comes across as quite childish.
What do you get out of posting on redcafe? Are you only interested in trying to score points? Have you ever considered trying to understand a different point of view? Or think hard about the points being made that you initially disagree with? If you’ve any intention of ever trying to adjust your style this thread would be a good place to start. If not, then you should probably keep your straw men for stupid arguments about football.
EDIT: to address your tangent. Every single one of those bullet points can still happen with ongoing controlled spread in any given country. Not a single one of them requires viral eradication to happen first. You know this, though. Surely?
There have been mixed messages (my wife is pregnant) but i dont think pregnant women fall into the shielding category automatically.Just the pregnancy. Unless it’s changed pregnant women were given 12 weeks off from March 23rd.
Page 28Protecting the clinically vulnerable
It remains the case that some people are more clinically vulnerable to COVID-19 than others. These include those aged over 70, those with specific chronic pre-existing conditions and pregnant women.26 These clinically vulnerable people should continue to take particular care to minimise contact with others outside their households, but do not need to be shielded.
There have been mixed messages (my wife is pregnant) but i dont think pregnant women fall into the shielding category automatically.
From the UK Government’s new document:
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My daughter is pregnant, due in August and has been told to shield . She has also been warned that she may have to have a home birth.Interesting, our workplace’s guidelines has pregnant women as vulnerable and needing shielding. Our local GP had a sign up telling pregnant women to shield too.
They specified that it is different.If you can visit someone from a different household in the park then you can do the same outside in their garden , there is no difference.
My daughter is pregnant, due in August and has been told to shield . She has also been warned that she may have to have a home birth.
Did they explain why? Im confused by that as well but id imagine there's a reason i just cant seeThey specified that it is different.
If you can visit someone from a different household in the park then you can do the same outside in their garden , there is no difference.
My daughter is pregnant, due in August and has been told to shield . She has also been warned that she may have to have a home birth.
Did they explain why? Im confused by that as well but id imagine there's a reason i just cant see
Fantastic post!I am a young person and yes, it fecking sucks but I value human lives far more than my own personal desires, nor needs. I miss my partner a lot and haven’t seen her since February but I realise that if everyone committed to a lockdown restrictions could be eased and I could see her. I have lost job opportunities and interviews but I realise if everyone committed they would arise again. I should be entering a great part of my life career wise (my late 20s) and have just spent a lot of money completing a Masters but now this situation has probably changed my career outlook monumentally but I realise that human life is worth more than that. I haven’t seen most of my friends since January but I realise human life is worth more. I’m probably not going to get to see as much of the world as I would before, I probably won’t be able to do many of the things I dreamt of before and I’ll probably have to be paying a lot back in the future so I won’t have as much for myself and my partner or children if I chose to have them (yes, there will be many who won’t want children or can’t justify it anymore because of the situation potentially in the future). All of that fecking sucks.
But you know what? I still have those opportunities. I’m still here right now and I can still make something of my life. There are plenty who won’t be able to because they’ve died. Lockdown is shit, people might lose their job or have a different life to what they may have had before. They still have their life.
EDIT: I would also like to add I have suffered with mental health issues since the age of 16, anxiety and depression that have each led me to try to take my own life in the past. I've hit rough patches and still do. I have during this lockdown also but people with mental health problems can still have perspective. It's very individual. For those that are struggling there should be a system in place to help them through the lockdown. not the excuse of "Yeah but people have mental illnesses so we should come out of lockdown for their sake". Same with people who live in poverty or crammed households. We should be making better decisions at a local level to ensure they get the space and help they need.
Hey, it is not that bad here (assuming that he is in Northern California where all the universities are).My son is 21 and studying in California (which is obliviously a worry) but I have huge optimism for his future.
I when I think of the difficult circumstances some people overcome I have little sympathy for people who are just annoyed they can't go out as much as usual to the point of not caring if others die to avoid inconvenience.
Did they explain why? Im confused by that as well but id imagine there's a reason i just cant see
Yea that stumped me. What difference does it make if you meet 1 or 10 people from the same household.It doesn't really make sense, but it will be to stop the temptation of people getting back to normality, Sunday lunches, watching tv, baby-sitting the grandchildren. Their thought will be that meeting in a neutral venue will limit the time and stop it becoming family occasions in a home.
Makes no reals sense though, same as not allowing someone to meet up with both parents at the same time - they'll be going back to the same house anyway and don't have to socially distance being in the same household.
Yeah guidance has been a bit all over the place, not very helpful! I advise you speak to your midwife and / or GP.Interesting, our workplace’s guidelines has pregnant women as vulnerable and needing shielding. Our local GP had a sign up telling pregnant women to shield too.
If you can visit someone from a different household in the park then you can do the same outside in their garden , there is no difference.
Perhaps they dont want people going round peoples gardens for BBQs etc, asking for trouble. Parks are slightly less risky from the point of view.Did they explain why? Im confused by that as well but id imagine there's a reason i just cant see
It does make some sense, for the reasons you gave above.It doesn't really make sense, but it will be to stop the temptation of people getting back to normality, Sunday lunches, watching tv, baby-sitting the grandchildren. Their thought will be that meeting in a neutral venue will limit the time and stop it becoming family occasions in a home.
Makes no reals sense though, same as not allowing someone to meet up with both parents at the same time - they'll be going back to the same house anyway and don't have to socially distance being in the same household.
Interesting - does she have a preexisting medical condition?My daughter is pregnant, due in August and has been told to shield . She has also been warned that she may have to have a home birth.
Pogue, you asked if NZ eradication was sensible. Asked what their long range plan was.
I gave you comment, and a cracking site to read up on it.
When they relax measures, as they are right now, they’re starting from a death total of 21(!) and all of their coping mechanisms in place.
I made it very clear that their plan is;
- Keep people alive
- Act on the best available science.
They’re not suggesting that they can eradicate permanently right now. That’s your straw man so don’t Throw that sh1te at me.
Maybe re-read your own posts as it’s clearly Possible to take them as ‘Was an attempt at eradication worth it? Should they have let more people get infected’. The answer is no. They only have 21 dead. More will die in the months to come. They know that they will see it reappear.
Whether through accepted infection rates due to new treatment, or the magic bullet of a vaccine, They’ll get there in a far better position that almost all countries.
They go to level 2 this week. Most are back at work. Essential Regional flights are in place (they have no motorway or rail network), with full PPE and testing wrapped around it. Regional Holidays come back with many of the old normals at level 1.
They’ll dance between 1 and 2 for a year. Maybe up to 3 at some point if they’re unlucky
I have been visiting my mother and father in law near enough daily , they are in their 80s and he has alzheimers , it is incredibly difficult for my mother in law . Thankfully the weather has been good and we have sat outside in the garden a good 4 metres apart . I take a flask so when I have a cuppa they dont have contact , they make their own and mine goes home with me. I spray my chair down with disinfectant when I leave and they never touch it anyway . Without my visits my mother in law would struggle in isolation with a man that she has to remind every ten mins that they can`t go out because of the virus and no one normal to talk to.You cannot visit other people’s houses, it explicitly states that!
Obviously that's an awfully tough situation, but technically that hasnt been allowed and you very easily could have been fined.I have been visiting my mother and father in law near enough daily , they are in their 80s and he has alzheimers , it is incredibly difficult for my mother in law . Thankfully the weather has been good and we have sat outside in the garden a good 4 metres apart . I take a flask so when I have a cuppa they dont have contact , they make their own and mine goes home with me. I spray my chair down with disinfectant when I leave and they never touch it anyway . Without my visits my mother in law would struggle in isolation with a man that she has to remind every ten mins that they can`t go out because of the virus and no one normal to talk to.
I have been visiting my mother and father in law near enough daily , they are in their 80s and he has alzheimers , it is incredibly difficult for my mother in law . Thankfully the weather has been good and we have sat outside in the garden a good 4 metres apart . I take a flask so when I have a cuppa they dont have contact , they make their own and mine goes home with me. I spray my chair down with disinfectant when I leave and they never touch it anyway . Without my visits my mother in law would struggle in isolation with a man that she has to remind every ten mins that they can`t go out because of the virus and no one normal to talk to.
I intend to , they are wonderful people , mentally tough too . My father in law was the kindest guy before he became ill and even now he is still a good guy but can be hard going as his memory is shot (short term memory) and he is very childlike in a lot of his ways , he behaves like a 15 year old at times but you get good at changing the subject and dealing with it. They have a big garden that I do a bit at a time so an hour here and and hour there and they sit out and watch me from a distance but it all helps to make them feel less isolated as they don`t get to see their grandkids or greatgrandkids when they used to see them regularly.keep doing it. Sometimes it’s ok to break some rules
"We know most people get infected in their own home. A household member contracts the virus in the community and brings it into the house where sustained contact between household members leads to infection.
But where are people contracting the infection in the community? I regularly hear people worrying about grocery stores, bike rides, inconsiderate runners who are not wearing masks.... are these places of concern? Well, not really. Let me explain.!
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
Good article that sums up some of the bits I've posted on here in the past 2 months like the Chinese restaurant, LA choir and ventilation being key indoors and adds some other examples like a call centre and indoor sporting event
This is potentially key information for places of work opening up soon and not walking into a huge second wave. Washing hands, cleaning your phone and keeping 1-2 metres apart won't help indoors and most is spread at home.
Answering for Wibs as he's been in bedHey, it is not that bad here (assuming that he is in Northern California where all the universities are).
It's reasonable to think there'll be one but most people are basing this on what happened with the Spanish flu. Some people keep saying that the 2nd wave of the Spanish flu was worse than the 1st which and imply it will happen with this.Sick of seeing every man and his dog telling us "wait for the second wave" like they are nostrodamus or something, it's already been said a million times ffs.