Like when you went out shopping after flying home from Asia?
Like when you went out shopping after flying home from Asia?
They were low yesterday, i think a reporting lag in the 'deaths from all settings' number. Still showing a downward trend, but not a huge jump as to what they were expecting.UK fatality numbers looking pretty high for a Friday.
The dip looks to have plateaued in the last week or so. Hope this isn't supposed to be expected as part of the "new normal".They were low yesterday, i think a reporting lag in the 'deaths from all settings' number. Still showing a downward trend, but not a huge jump as to what they were expecting.
I am starting to think that we are the only country actually reporting anything close to accurate figures, and many would say we are still under reporting. Italy, particularly, and Spain were totally engulfed by coronavirus, yet their deaths per million population are now both below that of the UK, where, whilst stretched, the NHS did not hit anything close to breaking point and the Nightingale hospitals were not significantly utilised.UK fatality numbers looking pretty high for a Friday.
How do people wear glasses and a mask, when ever I have tried it, it’s like walking into a warm pub on a freezing night my glasses just completely fog up.
I believe it was an attempt at crowd control - to maintain a sense of collective order rather than risk descending into unwanted panic. I think they knew they'd already done some damage and wanted to make it that people didn't see these signifiers (masks) on a daily basis as a reminder. It's something that seems to have happened in Murrika where you see a lot of stigmatisation about people wearing masks; in some cases, social shaming and violence.Even though the government has repeatedly said that face coverings offer little tangible benefits.
So. Why now. What has changed, apart from the fact that the government is and has been making policy decisions on the hoof.
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150 less but not great. Was hoping the bulk was Tue Wed and today would follow on from the 176 yesterday.
That’s definitely not happening. Look at your excess deaths.I am starting to think that we are the only country actually reporting anything close to accurate figures, and many would say we are still under reporting. Italy, particularly, and Spain were totally engulfed by coronavirus, yet their deaths per million population are now both below that of the UK, where, whilst stretched, the NHS did not hit anything close to breaking point and the Nightingale hospitals were not significantly utilised.
The other thing I have realised is that there is a lag of up to 2 weeks between the reduction in new cases and the reduction in casualties. The same thing happened in both Italy & Spain, where the number of new cases was falling significantly, but the death rate didn't seem to change for days and days.
Sad to say that once Trump had endorsed the use of the drug the world and his wife laughed and said that it confirmed he was a sandwich short of a picnic. That view automatically destroyed the credibility of anyone engaged in studying its effectiveness.Another twist in the hydroxychloroquine drama.
The study claiming that Hydroxychloroquine resulted in increased morbidity has been retracted. It is important to note that many large scale clinical trials, including WHO's had been stopped based on this study.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext
The critical analysis of the paper in this blog is mind boggling. How it made into Lancet has to be a serious investigation.
http://freerangestats.info/blog/2020/05/30/implausible-health-data-firm
His view changed nothing for professionals or their credibility. It's outlandish claims from an handful of scientists and botched studies that destroyed the credibility of a few.Sad to say that once Trump had endorsed the use of the drug the world and his wife laughed and said that it confirmed he was a sandwich short of a picnic. That view automatically destroyed the credibility of anyone engaged in studying its effectiveness.
This has nothing to do with Trump.Sad to say that once Trump had endorsed the use of the drug the world and his wife laughed and said that it confirmed he was a sandwich short of a picnic. That view automatically destroyed the credibility of anyone engaged in studying its effectiveness.
To be fair to the scientists whose paper in the Lancet got withdrawn they weren’t making outlandish claims at all. Their study simply implied that HCQ does more harm than good in covid patients. Which might still be true. We await the RCT results to find out. Trump definitely made outlandish claims but everyone knows he’s an idiot and you’re right that the scientific community don’t take him seriously.His view changed nothing for professionals or their credibility. It's outlandish claims from an handful of scientists and botched studies that destroyed the credibility of a few.
That’s a bit melodramatic. They were sold bad data by a (probably fraudulent) medical database but the truth came out very quickly and corrections have been published already. At the normal speed at which medical knowledge grows this wouldn’t have been much of an issue. It’s just the crazy pace at which we need to learn about covid which causes cracks to appear.This has nothing to do with Trump.
This was not even a feckin study. They just pulled some numbers out of their arse and miraculously Lancet, NEJM accepted it. The peer review process in science is beyond repair.
I wasn't talking about that last paper but the idea that any loss of credibility was linked to Trump. The only scientists who lost credibility are the ones who decided to forfeit scientific methodology for a minute of fame. The last thing about the Lancet is amateurish but as you said most if not all the studies that I have seen ended up being inconclusive anyway, WHO's and some governments acted in a kneejerk way but it had nothing to do with Trump.To be fair to the scientists whose paper in the Lancet got withdrawn they weren’t making outlandish claims at all. Their study simply implied that HCQ does more harm than good in covid patients. Which might still be true. We await the RCT results to find out. Trump definitely made outlandish claims but everyone knows he’s an idiot and you’re right that the scientific community don’t take him seriously.
I disagree that they were sold the data. I think its highly probable the co-author Desai, knew what he was doing. The others maybe not.That’s a bit melodramatic. They were sold bad data by a (probably fraudulent) medical database and the truth came out very quickly. At the normal speed at which medical knowledge grows this wouldn’t have been much of an issue. It’s just the crazy pace at which we need to learn about covid which causes cracks to appear.
Yes, I made some without sewing in about 5 minutes, using an old T-shirt. There are loads of diagrams online.Still don’t understand the lag on the proposed announcements - why announce facemasks will be mandatory for hospital visitors etc from June 15th. Surely if people are only really going to be able to use homemade face coverings, someone could fashion one using a T-shirt or something as of tomorrow?
Wasn’t Desai the owner of Surgisphere? So he definitely knew what was going on! Took the others for a ride, mind you.I disagree that they were sold the data. I think its highly probable the co-author Desai, knew what he was doing. The others maybe not.
The problem is that I have seen such crap in like predatory journals. It should not have made it into the Lancet and NEJM and should have been chucked out even before it went for peer review.
What this has done is 1) brought the reputation of science/scientific method into question at a time when public opinion of it is at an all time low.
2) given ammunition to conspiracy theorists about deep state working to stop HCQ. Fauci, quoted this paper, I think like many others took it as credible, "since it was in Lancet" and claimed HCQ is dangerous and should be stopped.
They lied to us about needing masks and it potentially led to tens of thousands of deaths.357 deaths today, passed 40,000
Yes coming down slowly.The positive cases a day seem to be dropping?
I see it more as it being too soon to lift restrictions, which doesn't surprise me given the sh*t show we've seen so far in some of the government decisions.Narrow margins.
2nd wave for Italy?Italian infections up significantly today, from 177 yesterday to 518 today. Deaths remain in the 80s.
Lombardy accounts for 402 of those new infections, most of them in Milan, Bergamo and Brescia. It's worrying for the rest of the country, as regional borders were opened 2 days ago. I really think Lombardy needs to be isolated again from the other regions.
I think that’s what we’ll be seeing for the next year or two. We won’t get national lockdowns again (hopefully ) but there will be lots of local measures needed like this.Tweet
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Its a crock of shit honestly. NHS staff were faced with disciplinary action by managers when wearing masks in work places outside of clinical work for creating "unnecessary panic" and now this u-turnThey lied to us about needing masks and it potentially led to tens of thousands of deaths.
I said from the beginning that we all should be covering our faces but scientists said otherwise. It just goes to show that scientists will say whatever they are paid to weather it costs lives or not.
I honestly think it's never been properly under control in Lombardy. The rest of the country is mainly seeing low numbers in both infections and deaths. @11101 lives in Lombardy, so is better-informed than me - but I can't say it's not worrying.2nd wave for Italy?
Need to get it locked down regionally then before it spreads again! Sort it out @11101I honestly think it's never been properly under control in Lombardy. The rest of the country is mainly seeing low numbers in both infections and deaths. @11101 lives in Lombardy, so is better-informed than me - but I can't say it's not worrying.
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This is not the black and white argument that you make it out to be. There were (and remain) very real problems with wearing facial coverings that have been discussed in this thread already. What I hope has happened is that substantial evidence has come to light which demonstrates that the benefits of the public wearing facial coverings does indeed far outweigh the negatives. I also think you may want to reconsider the difference between gaining better insight in science based on new experiment or data and outright telling a lie. The guidance from the WHO regarding this particular issue seems to have been reasonable to me.They lied to us about needing masks and it potentially led to tens of thousands of deaths.
I said from the beginning that we all should be covering our faces but scientists said otherwise. It just goes to show that scientists will say whatever they are paid to weather it costs lives or not.
Common sense should have told you it was a stupid thing to do.Please tell me whose guidance I broke on that occasion? I’ll be waiting. Thanks
It's been noticeable for a while that the decline in hospital admissions, that the press conferences keep talking about, has looked dangerously close to a plateau in the north-west. Some local authorities (like Bury) outright recommended that schools delayed any return for pupils (other than the existing key worker and vulnerable pupil provision) until at least the 15th June, others have just urged caution. In practice though, most schools (at the decision of the governors and teachers) haven't opened, saying they need more time to prepare.Tweet
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In truth most of those 'real problems' weren't backed by much science either though were they?This is not the black and white argument that you make it out to be. There were (and remain) very real problems with wearing facial coverings that have been discussed in this thread already. What I hope has happened is that substantial evidence has come to light which demonstrates that the benefits of the public wearing facial coverings does indeed far outweigh the negatives. I also think you may want to reconsider the difference between gaining better insight in science based on new experiment or data and outright telling a lie. The guidance from the WHO regarding this particular issue seems to have been reasonable to me.
That is precisely the point I was making. If you can't say either way, then it seems reasonable to not issue advice stating they should be compulsory.In truth most of those 'real problems' weren't backed by much science either though were they?