It could probably be done way cheaper, I'm guessing is the argument.Yup. Outrage over a government spending loads of money to try and contain a pandemic. Outrage gonna outrage though.
It could probably be done way cheaper, I'm guessing is the argument.Yup. Outrage over a government spending loads of money to try and contain a pandemic. Outrage gonna outrage though.
Yup. Outrage over a government spending loads of money to try and contain a pandemic. Outrage gonna outrage though.
Jaysus.The game was a week earlier I think.
Thanks, Im not too worried though, Im a relatively healthy guy..Good luck mate, fingers crossed for you
He’s trying to speak their languageWhy would he use an emoji?
Sinners are some shower.Which is funny because the Sinners down south are fecking experts at criticising other people’s plans.
So you just got back from Italy but you’re advocating restrictions on travel to local areas only? Makes sense. This is part of the problem. Most people are completely hypocritical on how to combat this issue. Do as I say not what I do.We got back to Italy last week, but our town in NW England has been included in the Liverpool City measures along with the whole of the local authority of Sefton. This despite the fact that we're 15 miles away, it's a small seaside town and has absolutely none of the issues they're struggling with in Liverpool.
Unless decisions are made more locally in the actual hotspots, these measures will never work. If they stopped people moving out of their city or town boundary, except for work, medical reasons or other personal emergencies, things could be controlled. This is where Italy did well as we were prevented from travelling at all, and that restriction was only very gradually relaxed - first we could leave our village and travel within our province, then we could travel within our region, and only at a late stage in the first wave was free travel permitted.
Of course, this requires policing which also hasn't worked in the UK. When the police in England were breaking up large groups in the summer who were sitting in the park, they should have been giving a fixed penalty ticket to everyone in those groups. The police don't give you a free pass here, it's a fine straight away.
Aye but the premise of unis having had such a big impact is two-fold: huge numbers of people in one place partying, and them coming from far and wide and importing more cases into the area. On a relative basis that's quite a lot of people partying but in absolute numbers it doesn't have those huge, festival-like crowds, and I don't think folks are coming into Derry from far and wide. Absolutely it should have an impact but you wouldn't think it would be a similar impact to e.g. Manchester.Derry has a significantly sized Uni for a city the size of Derry
Disgusting. It's baffling that they can convince people they're worth that much at the proposal stage, when it's just repackaging what exists on the market and charging extortionate prices, but the fact they're doubling down when the results on such a critical project have been so poor is absolutely shocking. Anyone ok with management consultants exploiting a pandemic to deliver below par results for prices well beyond what actual experts in the fields would charge is off their rocker.Tweet
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We live in Italy, that's where we're resident. We had to visit England, it wasn't a holiday - my husband never left the flat.So you just got back from Italy but you’re advocating restrictions on travel to local areas only? Makes sense. This is part of the problem. Most people are completely hypocritical on how to combat this issue. Do as I say not what I do.
The positivity rate is the best way to get an idea about how many cases are not being picked up by testing (e.g. asymptomatic cases) The higher the positivity rate in people we do test, the more likely it is we're missing cases in people who don't get a test. These data clearly contradict the notion that the virus is running rife in schools. If anything, it seems less prevalent in schools than in the community.Not really. If kids are less likely to show symptoms they are also less likely to be tested. It’s a deliberately vague statement.
It’s still a headline figure that ignores any context. As you say yourself, we don’t know if it includes primary and secondary schools, we don’t know the total figures for testing and from reading some of the responses to the tweets they have different criteria for what constitutes a close contact in schools. So kids who have caught it at school but are tested at home aren’t included are they?The positivity rate is the best way to get an idea about how many cases are not being picked up by testing (e.g. asymptomatic cases) The higher the positivity rate in people we do test, the more likely it is we're missing cases in people who don't get a test. These data clearly contradict the notion that the virus is running rife in schools. If anything, it seems less prevalent in schools than in the community.
I'd like to know if he's talking about primary or secondary schools. We've known for a while that younger kids are not only less likely to get sick, they're less likely to contract the virus. So these data make sense for this age group. They're a little counter-intuitive for teenagers, though. When it seems as though they're getting infected in fairly large numbers.
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To an extent I agree. However Derry is a party town, there’s a big pub scene (though they should in theory be controlling the numbers in). Also take into account there’s a huge movement of people for shopping and socialising between Derry and Donegal, especially letterkenny.Disgusting. It's baffling that they can convince people they're worth that much at the proposal stage, when it's just repackaging what exists on the market and charging extortionate prices, but the fact they're doubling down when the results on such a critical project have been so poor is absolutely shocking. Anyone ok with management consultants exploiting a pandemic to deliver below par results for prices well beyond what actual experts in the fields would charge is off their rocker.
It also doesn’t take into account the parents mixing and hanging aroundNot really. If kids are less likely to show symptoms they are also less likely to be tested. It’s a deliberately vague statement.
No it doesn’t. That’s still a by product of schools being open though.It also doesn’t take into account the parents mixing and hanging around
This is all assuming the vaccine stops you getting COVID full stop. Lot of talk that the vaccine will just stop the symptoms being as bad, and you will still be infectious, which isn’t great for the people who it doesn’t work forI think I've been resigned to the idea we'll be living with this from now on for a while. It's about finding ways to live with it that allows people to live normal lives and minimises the amount of people it kills.
50% effectiveness sounds rubbish but actually that's a potential game changer. If you can give a majority of vulnerable people a vaccine that gives them a 50% chance of being immune to the virus then you can imagine the difference that makes. If you can find a way to give that vaccine to a majority of people in general, then even the vulnerable people who the vaccine doesn't work for will be far less likely to catch it off someone else in the first place.
If you couple that with treatments and preperation getting better, and the hope (admittedly that's what it is at the moment) the virus will become less dangerous, then you are into the realms of being able to let people function and live out their lives without covid being a factor at every single corner.
I think my bigger scepticism with vaccines is how effectively they'll be distributed and how willing people will be to have them. Longer term carrying on as things have been this year will go out of the window one way or another, so it's all about bringing down the risk factor to normal day to day life I think. The idea of getting rid of the virus as a threat completely doesn't really add up to me. If people can catch it, recover and then catch it again it's unlikely to go away.
Absolutely, they’ve been softening the public up for weeks.it is March all over again, the buildup and preparation before the inevitable lockdown.
I imagine it's full lockdown bar London, hence the tier bollocksit is March all over again, the buildup and preparation before the inevitable lockdown.
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No coincidence a YouGov poll says most of the public back a lockdown, a poll which is then shared by journalists. Combine that with Whitty saying he current measures don't go far enough and this week is basically preparation for the lockdown. I predict either this Friday or mid next weekAbsolutely, they’ve been softening the public up for weeks.
Good attitude mate, let us know how you get onThanks, Im not too worried though, Im a relatively healthy guy..
Yeah it's not great. I'm not in Ireland these days, but was speaking to my parents today and I can imagine this news will be shite to them. Back to not being able to visit their grandchildren and generally not having much to look forward to. It's grim, and I can imagine this won't go down too well in Ireland? As I said, I'm not there so I don't have a good feeling of how people may react, other than my family and a few friends still there.No visitors from other households allowed in Ireland from tomorrow night. Every time they make up a framework of measures they rip it up and start again. This is going to piss people off. In a way, I think they would be better off not publishing these road maps to begin with.
Yeah it's getting annoying now, we're level 3 in this level 4 in that and level 5 in this other thing, the point of the guidelines was to give us light at the end of the tunnel, but if they are going to pick and choose which levels we are on with different subjects, its going to cause confusion and angst.No visitors from other households allowed in Ireland from tomorrow night. Every time they make up a framework of measures they rip it up and start again. This is going to piss people off. In a way, I think they would be better off not publishing these road maps to begin with.
My expectation would be that work, retail, and schools will remain open. Socialising settings, mixing households, and non-essential travel is what they’ll focus on restricting.I haven't had much time to read everything that's going on this week due to working nights so can anyone help me with this, is this circuit break they are talking about going to be like the lockdown in march non essential workplaces stayed open or will they be closing everywhere that is non essential ?
The majority of the public want a lockdown.This is over can argue all day until your blue in the face the public have lost trust even if a lockdown was forced people are gonna break rank its done the seeds have been sowed.
Not sure of any great method to get out of this, but the damage is done!
Apart from anyone with a business affected by said lockdown.The majority of the public want a lockdown.
Yeah it's not great. I'm not in Ireland these days, but was speaking to my parents today and I can imagine this news will be shite to them. Back to not being able to visit their grandchildren and generally not having much to look forward to. It's grim, and I can imagine this won't go down too well in Ireland? As I said, I'm not there so I don't have a good feeling of how people may react, other than my family and a few friends still there.
It’s confusing and annoying but you can see the logic behind it. They’re doing everything possible to keep small businesses open, while clamping down on everything else. Which is ok by me. I have friends whose hearts are breaking with the stress and uncertainty of trying to keep their businesses afloat. I just think the government just come out and say that’s the priority. People would probably accept it. Even though Sinn Féin would have a fecking field day.Yeah it's getting annoying now, we're level 3 in this level 4 in that and level 5 in this other thing, the point of the guidelines was to give us light at the end of the tunnel, but if they are going to pick and choose which levels we are on with different subjects, its going to cause confusion and angst.
I don’t believe that for a second. Maybe some polls are saying that but people have had enough of all the disgraceful behaviour from our government and our fellow citizens.The majority of the public want a lockdown.
They've had enough of bad decision making. All the evidence is pointing to a lockdown of some sort being the best way forward and as you said polls have shown support for it.I don’t believe that for a second. Maybe some polls are saying that but people have had enough of all the disgraceful behaviour from our government and our fellow citizens.
We lock ourselves up while the idiots carry on like nothing is happening then they expect people to not have their grandchildren over to stay perhaps even over Christmas. Not dishing out heavy fines at the outset and giving the likes of Cummings a free pass just piss people off who have abided by the laws.
The idiots will still not abide by the laws and nothing will happen to them whatsoever. Until the government crackdown on people where it hurts they are just kicking the can down the road.They've had enough of bad decision making. All the evidence is pointing to a lockdown of some sort being the best way forward and as you said polls have shown support for it.