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Just seen some stats which suggests, relatively, we are testing more than other countries. It’s such a shame that capability hasn’t been supported by competent strategy and infrastructure.
My in-laws are like that, the eldest was called first. He’s in his 80s, she’s in her 70sI have a question I suspect what the answer will be but it might be worth asking.
Is the order of groups totally strict?
i.e. Say a lady of 82 gets a phone call to get the vaccination and her husband is 78 do they do them in different waves if the set it at 80+ first or would they get the husband done the same time?
Same concern hereAlso wonder how significant this new strain stuff will be.
That's what I suspected cheers.My in-laws are like that, the eldest was called first. He’s in his 80s, she’s in her 70s
I'm not sure it is actually a new strain and not just a variant of which there a few.Also wonder how significant this new strain stuff will be.
But kids don't get itThey need to close the bloody schools. It’s running absolutely rampant through nearly every school.
Its also really strange how it seems this is something that’s been known for a few weeks yet is only making its way public now. Which doesn’t make sense.I'm not sure it is actually a new strain and not just a variant of which there a few.
Not saying this variant isn't more infectious (but no more dangerous) but the cynic in me does think that it is a convenient narrative for the government to say a new "strain" is responsible for stage 3 lockdown in London.
It's mostly spin to help sell an unpopular decision. If that's what it takes let's go along with it, if it's the correct decision that's what matters.Its also really strange how it seems this is something that’s been known for a few weeks yet is only making its way public now. Which doesn’t make sense.
Boris: I'm not an incompetent buffoon. The virus did it. Honest. You can trust me.Its also really strange how it seems this is something that’s been known for a few weeks yet is only making its way public now. Which doesn’t make sense.
That means they won't.They need to close the bloody schools. It’s running absolutely rampant through nearly every school.
Schools going for the herd immunity approach.That means they won't.
@Stanley Road - If they don't, I've found this Dutch site that sells it.Will see if they have the right brand, Canagan
Winter is coming for house Johnson.The north remembers.
Short answer: no.Quick question to the doctors/medical scientists in here: can we be absolutely sure that these vaccines are significantly safer than the swine flu vaccines from 2009? I know a guy who took the swine flu vaccine back then who got narcolepsy. Needless to say he's a little shook and considering not taking this vaccine.
I doubt he's celebrating the deaths or the rise in case numbers. I think he, and a lot more Mancs, were left wondering just what the criteria was that meant London didn't have a Tier3 worthy problem two weeks ago. Manchester was basically operating under 2/3 rules from late July and got very little financial help - when Andy Burnham etc complained that punishing a region for being poor, having overcrowded housing etc, wouldn't fix anything, and the lack of support was making it poorer.
From a Manc perspective nothing changed until London got caught up in the restrictions and suddenly Burnham's unreasonable demands were easily met for London and the south, but were not backdated to deal with the same problems in areas who'd been coping for longer.
The question of criteria made it worse - when Manchester went into local measures it had less cases/100k than most Tier1 areas do now. When the post-national lockdown tiers were announced Manchester's rates were falling fast and London's were rising and they weren't that far apart even in raw numbers.
On an emotional level there's a big slice of schadenfreude underway. On a practical level though - there's a real sense that actually the government does bugger all to help people or businesses until it effects the capital, at which point they notice that there might be a need to do something. In other words, there is something in it for other areas in trouble. London going into Tier 3 will do a lot more for the other local support packages than Newcastle did.
Well said.It's typical that you'd defend Boris and your Tory mates.
Back in October, Manchester asked for 80% of funding towards furlough in our local lockdown. We got offered 60% because the government apparently couldn't afford it:
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Then a few days later, it was announced there'd be a national lockdown which included London. All of a sudden, 80% funding was available again:
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Boris tried to prioritise London over the north and he got exposed over it.
And when it came to deciding on the covid tiers, we were used a political football once again as a way to get back at Mayor Burnham for causing a fuss in the national papers, despite having better figures than much of the south:
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The Tory plan was to protect the London economy over its busy Christmas period, and to teach those uppity northerners a lesson. Well, feck them for trying to play those games.
There's no joy in seeing Londoners enter tier 3. But there is schadenfreude for the PM treating us like a national afterthought and seeing his masterplan fail.
Apparently its not the schools!!!!! Its people popping round to their families homes for a brewGovernment obsession with keeping schools open is pathetic. Killing people every day by doing it.
Tomorrow, I believe.What day is it that the Tier system is re-evaluated for Manchester? Does anybody know?
Fantastic - I cant wait to get into tier 2. After months and months of depression it will be a huge lift of morale!Tomorrow, I believe.
It's 16 December for the tier review, and 3 February for a potential 'sunset' on tiers altogether.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55118467
Delusion of the highest order. They wheel out the data that says infection is low in schools but isn’t actually impossible to know that if kids are not showing symptoms? Teachers test rates are low but that’s probably because they’re able to keep their distance with all the mask wearing etc. Kids are giving it to each other without even knowing it then going home and spreading it there. At that point it won’t be known exactly where it’s came from.Apparently its not the schools!!!!! Its people popping round to their families homes for a brew
Be staying in 3 I thinkFantastic - I cant wait to get into tier 2. After months and months of depression it will be a huge lift of morale!
That's my guess as well. Having places open up just before Christmas through into the New Year, and then families meeting up over Christmas just sounds like a recipe for a truly grim January. If things go well over Christmas then opening up in January and staying open sounds like a much nicer option. Though even that might be wishful thinking, but it would be preferable, if we can achieve it.Be staying in 3 I think
Dunno if they share the same data in the UK but one of the pieces of information they’re using in Ireland is the positivity rate. Symptoms or not (and teens will get symptoms almost as often as adults) kids are still going to get tested, even if it’s only as close contacts with confirmed cases (e.g. if one of their family gets covid) and the % positive tests with school-kids was lower than it was for adults.Delusion of the highest order. They wheel out the data that says infection is low in schools but isn’t actually impossible to know that if kids are not showing symptoms? Teachers test rates are low but that’s probably because they’re able to keep their distance with all the mask wearing etc. Kids are giving it to each other without even knowing it then going home and spreading it there. At that point it won’t be known exactly where it’s came from.
Yeah it seems totally logical especially with the moving of London and the South into 3.That's my guess as well. Having places open up just before Christmas through into the New Year, and then families meeting up over Christmas just sounds like a recipe for a truly grim January. If things go well over Christmas then opening up in January and staying open sounds like a much nicer option. Though even that might be wishful thinking, if we can achieve it.
Fingers crossed for all those vaccines that are in the pipeline and the ones that are already scheduled for rollout - at least they give me hope.
The ONS collect data from a large random sample of the population every week, irrespective of symptoms reported or positive tests of. Available here. Imperial do another one.Dunno if they share the same data in the UK but one of the pieces of information they’re using in Ireland is the positivity rate. Symptoms or not (and teens will get symptoms almost as often as adults) kids are still going to get tested, even if it’s only as close contacts with confirmed cases (e.g. if one of their family gets covid) and the % positive tests with school-kids was lower than it was for adults.
That was a while ago, though. I don’t know if its changed. And I don’t know what the UK data looks like.
If the kids aren't in school then the parents have to look after them and not work, killing the economy which is what its all about really for them.Government obsession with keeping schools open is pathetic. Killing people every day by doing it.
Ok, interesting. It does seem a bit nuts that we aren’t at least extending school xmas holidays. In Ireland they’ve done the opposite. Our kids (primary school) would usually finish up this week but they’re going back in next week until Wednesday (which I think is helping catch up on days missed during first lockdown?) Thus giving them a grand total of 48 hours between a day in the classroom and a day with their granny and grandad!The ONS collect data from a large random sample of the population every week, irrespective of symptoms reported or positive tests of. Available here. Imperial do another one.
Primary school kids have a positivity rate of around 1%, in line with 25-34 and 35-44 year olds and below uni age kids, but it has been rising in December.
Secondary school kids now have the highest positivity rate of 2%, while college / uni age fell down from 2.3% in mid-November to 1.3% in December. Uni folks are still infected more often than all older age groups but its coming back in line, while secondary school kids are essentially infected 2x as often as their parents, and 3-5x as often as their grandparents.
None of that suggests that schools are a disproportionately likely place for super-spreader events, you would still expect more super spreader events to have happened given the amount of time they spend in there and the limited precautions available. But they are an opportunity for transmission that isn't available to other age groups, and it's quite likely that poorly ventilated schools have went to unventilated schools as the cold started to bite. And then hanging out afterwards somewhere indoors.
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I've spoken to a few people who live abroad about their situation.British Government minister says ‘"We've got to trust the British people to act responsibly and do the minimum that is possible for them in their family situation”.
This is the same British public whose behaviours have engineered amongst the very highest density of deaths per population on the planet.