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are we fecked?
No.are we fecked?
Correct. And of course, the general public understand that as well, which is why compliance will fall away after a short period of time.Course it won't, do you genuinely believe shops are the breeding/incubation ground for covid? It's merely a vanity exercise from the government. If they were serious about having an impact then they would be going full on with social distancing and masks in hospitality if it really was something to be concerned rather than this current approach which has no logic to its decision.
Exactly.What I can see with transports services not enforcing it is huge arguments. Imagine if someone whose not wearing a mask decides to sit next to someone who is wearing one? The one wearing the mask who was sitting there first would have every reason to be annoyed.
So now we know....Omicron either as transmissible as Delta, or less so - expert
I'm glad we have these experts
There's a desperate rush by people, including some who should know better, to be first with the story. It's like watching transfer gossip.Omicron either as transmissible as Delta, or less so - expert
I'm glad we have these experts
Hope not, I love watching all the winter sports and would hate that all shutting down again.https://www.nrk.no/osloogviken/omikron-smitte-i-oslo-etter-julebord-1.15754329
50-60 suspected omicron cases is Oslo, which would be the biggest registered omicron outbreak in the world. Another winter lockdown incoming then
Do you know when the trials for these vaccines officially end?I have little sympathy for the voluntarily unvaccinated but there are children who currently can't be vaccinated, the elderly and those who can't he vaccinated to be considered.
Until the whole world is suitably vaccinated measures to help stop or restrict the spread must stay on the board not matter that they are a minor inconvenience. Major lockdown will likely be rarer in largely vaccinated countries unless we are unlucky with new variants.
Which trials are you thinking of? Adult trials are complete except for things like antibody and booster monitoring, and blood tests to look for previously undiagnosed covid infections picked up during the trial. The standard efficacy/safety Pfizer trials are complete in the over 5s and they're now in the rollout/deployment monitoring phase.Do you know when the trials for these vaccines officially end?
Think most would agree.This virus is never going away, I think we've all accepted that. All we can do is pray that it becomes more and more benign over time and we can start treating it like a cold.
Governments benefiting from the pandemic? Pull the other one.Think most would agree.
The hard part is at what point do you make the distinction between a Covid pandemic, endemic and then what could justifiably be compared to an extreme cold season.
It will also get to a point where governments and industries benefiting from the pandemic need to opt out/somewhat step aside - which if history has taught us anything is by no means guaranteed.
Im not suggesting this is all a conspiracy of course, that’s just stupid but it’s also daft to say that individuals within governments haven’t been benefiting from this. Look at all the dodgy contracts handed out in the UK, they weren’t handed over without reward in the opposite direction.[
Governments benefiting from the pandemic? Pull the other one.
The only industry you could argue is benefitting is the pharmaceutical one. And even then, only two or three companies. The rest of them are being screwed by their main customers (health services) having to divert all their resources to covid. There’s even give and take for the main vaccine providers. Pfizer’s raking in cash from the vaccine while losing cash from other areas. It’s only in the last few months that their share price exceeded what it was at the end of 2018.
Literally everyone would benefit if the pandemic stopped tomorrow.
In terms of amount of influence and sway they've had over people's lives? There hasn't been anything like this since WWII in Western democracies. And yes, historically, once governments assume power and control it's by no means a given that these will be relinquished - especially when they themselves have a central role in defining the exact terms at which these controls can and should be relinquished.[
Governments benefiting from the pandemic? Pull the other one.
The only industry you could argue is benefitting is the pharmaceutical one. And even then, only two or three companies. The rest of them are being screwed by their main customers (health services) having to divert all their resources to covid. There’s even give and take for the main vaccine providers. Pfizer’s raking in cash from the vaccine while losing cash from other areas. It’s only in the last few months that their share price exceeded what it was at the end of 2018.
Literally everyone would benefit if the pandemic stopped tomorrow.
Dodgy individuals will try to feather their own nest in any and every circumstance. This will obviously be a lot easier in a booming global economy than when the whole world is on its knees during a pandemic.Im not suggesting this is all a conspiracy of course, that’s just stupid but it’s also daft to say that individuals within governments haven’t been benefiting from this. Look at all the dodgy contracts handed out in the UK, they weren’t handed over without reward in the opposite direction.
In addition to that in the US, billionaire wealth grew by 70% during the pandemic.
So while I believe it’s real and I believe in scientists and their science, if we are being completely objective there are definitely motives for individuals in government to use the pandemic to their benefit.
I also think the UK government is using the pandemic to cripple and dismantle the NHS.
But during a situation where the promotion of one's own self-interest comes at the expense of many continually losing out/the gaps in wealth being expanded, it's arguably more felt during moments like this.Dodgy individuals will try to feather their own nest in any and every circumstance. This will obviously be a lot easier in a booming global economy than when the whole world is on its knees during a pandemic.
Sure. Another reason why the pandemic ending would benefit everyone.But during a situation where the promotion of one's own self-interest comes at the expense of many continually losing out/the gaps in wealth being expanded, it's arguably more felt during moments like this.
£££. I hope they give it a tryImagine if the UK tried to implement what Austria and Germany have done..
Interesting that some of the more liberal countries and ramping up their rules and becoming quite Draconian.
That probably depends on the government and who you ask. Also there are plenty of places where the option of rioting isn't there to begin with.Sure. Another reason why the pandemic ending would benefit everyone.
Similar situation with governments. It’s obviously preferable to govern at a time when the citizens aren’t rioting in the streets over tough decisions you have to make
He’s probably selling up and trying to relocate to a ghettoDo you live in an afflu… haha I can’t
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Your last sentence is bizarre. Who is disappointed at the lack of other bad news? The scientists researching the risk of reinfection?The focus on the specific area of reinfection as opposed to severity of infection, as seems to be where most focus seems to be on, seems maybe an indirect positive?
I understand reinfection is obviously an important factor but it seems to be unusually focused upon in the case of omicron out of apparent disappointment at the lack of other bad news.
Scientists often caveat the data they publish. We know very little about it yet and what we do know comes from data from a country with very low vaccination rates, particularly amongst the young who this variant primarily appears to be skewing towards. I've never seen a thread or offering by any expert that doesn't touch upon some, all or alternative reasons why we can't jump to conclusions at all even with the data we have at the moment simply because we have next to nothing. That's what scientists do. What they don't do is present isolated pieces of the data and say 'Shit, this doesn't look good'.Your last sentence is bizarre. Who is disappointed at the lack of other bad news? The scientists researching the risk of reinfection?
It was me that said “shit, this doesn’t look good”. Because, in my opinion, when a new variant has mutations that seem likely to cause it to evade prior immunity and subsequently real life data comes out which shows that it probably is evading prior immunity then shit, it doesn’t look good.Scientists often caveat the data they publish. We know very little about it yet and what we do know comes from data from a country with very low vaccination rates, particularly amongst the young who this variant primarily appears to be skewing towards. I've never seen a thread or offering by any expert that doesn't touch upon some, all or alternative reasons why we can't jump to conclusions at all even with the data we have at the moment simply because we have next to nothing. That's what scientists do. What they don't do is present isolated pieces of the data and say 'Shit, this doesn't look good'.
The focus is on reinfection is because it’s a new kind of threat and far more relevant now, given the volume of past infections and vaccination, than it was before. The severity of the disease is reflected in the hospitalisation figures, which in this isolated case appear to be about as bad as it was before, with obvious caveats.The focus on the specific area of reinfection as opposed to severity of infection, as seems to be where most focus seems to be on, seems maybe an indirect positive?
I understand reinfection is obviously an important factor but it seems to be unusually focused upon in the case of omicron out of apparent disappointment at the lack of other bad news.
If you have a problem with Twitter, avoid it. It’s a cess pool. On every topic. But don’t bring your Twitter hang-ups here where the discussion is (in general) fairly balanced. I can 100% assure you that if/when I see any good news coming out of South Africa I will share it. And I’m kind of insulted that you imply I wouldn’t.Sorry but I just find this thread bizarre at times. High infection rates mean govt incompetence but only when applied to the UK, when cases rise elsewhere it's nobody's fault. When it rises here it's because the people and our representatives are feckless. Vaccinations are good but restrictions are even better, except restrictions on those who choose not to get vaccinated - they're awful, apparently. In the meantime let's find Tweets that skew towards what we want to hear whether it be overwhelmingly positive or negative.
You can almost see when prominent Twitter experts go in and out of fashion with certain posters depending if their latest Tweets are sufficiently cheerful or otherwise. It's the same on Twitter itself, you see a RT on your timeline and can see immediately by who's retweeting it if the opinion will be: 'Looking good based on these numbers' or 'feck, get the corned beef tins in'. Like people's choice of newspapers, people only tend to spread/retweet information that tells them what they want to hear. And nobody from either camp wants to here 'Far too early to know very much', so they jump on what little they do know with:
'Huzzah! Mild! Christmas saved' or the opposite.
Shit if it's a low % vaccinated population right? Gauteng only has 38.78% of their population vaccinated according to their latest data, it's still a big unknown of it's impact on high % rate vaccinated nations.Tweet
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Good spot by @Ekkie Thump about hospitalisation data taking a while to catch up.
This is all quite shit news.
Yes but most of the population has had Covid before. So if this variant evades past infection but not vaccinated individuals, vaccine mandates may be on the cards.Shit if it's a low % vaccinated population right? Gauteng only has 38.78% of their population vaccinated according to their latest data, it's still a big unknown of it's impact on high % rate vaccinated nations.