Think they’re still trying to work it out - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.eur...to-repatriating-isis-members-euronews-answers
How would you set it up then?
Well, we must agree to differ. We don't execute people anymore in the UK, because we're a civilised democracy, unlike ISIS.
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I agree with the principle of civilised democracy in most cases, but when you are dealing with extreme uncivilized and those associating with them you need extreme actions.
Do you think this is the end of the caliphate?
There's not much of an equivalency between being groomed by ISIS and being groomed by a would-be individual sex predator. She left the UK because of her ideology, and wanting to pursue a lifestyle that fits with it. Aside from the bombing and the shit healthcare it sounds like she got exactly what she wanted and expected from going out there.
I despise ISIS as much as any common person and when I turn on the tv and see the results of a terrorist attack or all the cruelty ISIS has imposed on the syrian people, my gut reaction is the same as some people on this thread: to answer cruelty and death in the same coin.
I've already said multiple times what I would do.
I would assume that person would be in jail, not knocking on my door for a bed. Which is what's going to happen to this girl.
She wouldn’t be in jail for long and when she came out there’s a likelihood of her jihadi husband joining her. It he doesn’t make it for some reason then there’s a reasonable chance that she will remarry and her new husband will more than likely have the same views on religion and terrorism as she does. Couple of jihadis living here (in their enemies territory) free to plot and plan with other freed jihadi terrorists doesn’t give me a good feeling if I’m honest.
Why do you think she was brainwashed?
I don't know for sure, but I know how easy it is to brainwash 15 year-olds, so it wouldn't surprise me at all.
I don't know how laws work in the UK, but for certain crimes here in Portugal, if the person shows no sign of repent or rehabilitation the judge can decide a person is still a danger to society and keep the person in jail. It would surprise me she would be in jail promoting jihadism and terror attacks and praising ISIS and shw would still be released.
The only crime the authorities would have evidence of is her being a member of a terrorist organisation. She won’t get much time for that. Say she got 6 years (which she is unlikely to get) then she’d be out in two years with “ good behaviour”. As for rehabilitation....I don’t know. From listening to that interview I would venture that she sees no reason to change her views. Those are her beliefs, she is entitled to them so why should she need to change them.
I don't know either but I wouldn't form an opinion based on what she is saying now. She's in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by ISIS sympathizers in that camp, so I wouldn't expect her to badmouth them. But even is she truly believes what she's saying, for me it's not a good reason to leave her to die when there's a chance (even if very tiny) to rehabilitate her and, more importantly, save a baby who will most likely die if nothing is done.
She hasn’t been left to die, she’s in a refugee camp. With Times journalists wandering around interviewing them.
Figure of speech. Although from some reports of how life is in those camps, maybe not that different.
You say that as if there weren't scores of journalists killed in regions like this every year.
Apparently most of the fighting is over now as Daesh have virtually been defeated, by all accounts that you read anyway. Some of the journos were killed (and beheaded) by Daesh.
Some of the comments in here are a little strong perhaps, but I'd be careful about defining the status 'civilised' as having to adopt a form of pacifism
That's a fair point, I was focusing more on the people, not the state. I understand sometimes the state might have to do it (although I'm not completely convinced regarding extra-judicial killings), but having individual citizens wishing for someone to be killed or left to die... well, I wouldn't use the adjective civilized for that.
I'm speaking more generally now than this case, but if an individual is playing a significant enough role in a regime like ISIS or is directly supporting their military campaigns, then there could be justification for direct kinetic action (e.g. airstrikes) depending on the circumstances
I get your point and I agree, if a government has the chance to take out an important enemy, then that's understandable.
Sorry I have to go back to this since I overlooked the “sex slave” comment before. You realize that ISIS fighters had literal sex slaves right? Non-Muslim girls they captured and traded, who often subsequently ended up sharing a home with wives who had travelled over and married their owner out of their own free will. Do you think any of these actual sex slaves would speak of their owners with the affection that Shamima continues to show for her husband? If not it seems bizarre to draw an equivalence between them, intentionally or otherwise.
Yes, I do realize it, I said as much in the sentence you quoted.
So if someone is actually regretful and wanted to come back and redeem himself/herself, we should ignore it because that person might be lying?
You referred to Shamima as a sex slave. I don’t see any acknowledgement of the existence of the actual sex slaves used and abused by ISIS fighters. Your use of the term in reference to Shamima suggests both are equally victims.
Even if she can be deradicalised etc, its not just about that, its about deterring others from similar actions in the future.
I said "used a sex slave for years, or at least that seems to be the fate of western girls who joined ISIS.".
This has come up a few times, legally this can't happen.
If you are a radical I don't think you care about deterrent. A bit like the death penalty.
I’m not talking about Western girls who willingly travelled to Syria to marry ISIS fighters. I’ve no idea why you’re describing them as sex slaves to be honest. I’m talking about Yazidi girls captured and taken from their homes and families and sold in slave markets before being used as actual sex slaves/concubines.
