He's a great penalty taker that loves to troll the goalkeeper. Done it a few times. Nobody will talk about it being worse since it obviously wasn't.
Spurs officially departed tonight
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This thread was as predictable as I expected.
Extra time from a Utd perspective is surely (a very minor) positive from the match.
Personally I’d like the word bottle or any variant banned unless we are talking about brewing. It’s really boring, adds nothing to the thread and isn't even amusing.
PS - didn’t watch the match.
Extra time from a Utd perspective is surely (a very minor) positive from the match.
Personally I’d like the word bottle or any variant banned unless we are talking about brewing. It’s really boring, adds nothing to the thread and isn't even amusing.
PS - didn’t watch the match.
Our first XI when fully fit is probably:
Lloris, Trippier, Toby, Vertonghen, Rose, Winks, Sissoko, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Kane.
Winks is first choice in all honesty, I don't think he should be yet but with Dembele gone and Wanyama broken that's the reality, I prefer him to Dier. We badly need to sign a central midfielder of genuine quality.
Agree regarding Davies. He's relatively competent but he offers so little going forward and is nothing more than solid defensively. He's not a terrible backup, but he certainly shouldn't be a regular starter for us. There's a reason he can also double up as a CB, and in 2019 the best sides have two fullbacks who can bomb forward and be an attacking threat.
If you just take a penalty normally and it misses, people just say bad luck. Or good luck for the goaly.
When you try to do something smart with a penalty like Jorginho did, when it comes off everyone says that was smart. But when you fail, it makes whoever took the kick look like an idiot.
Always the bridesmaid never the bride.
Hard circumstances for them with injuries, but it’s a reoccurring theme with them.
Don’t know how to get over the finish line.
Hard circumstances for them with injuries, but it’s a reoccurring theme with them.
Don’t know how to get over the finish line.
Extra time?
No kidding.
Did it not go to extra time? To be fair, I did say I didn’t watch the game. When was that scrapped? Straight to pens then.Extra time?
That's not true at all. Lucas penalty was bad for example, good height for the GK and weak. Jorginho has done it here, in the PL and in serie a. He's ice cold at penalties.
This season. Derby beat us on pens without ET.
Forgot about that. I’ve erased that match from my memory, along most matches in the last 5 years.
They were missing big players tonight, there is no getting past that. However, the question mark over Spurs mental strength is not going away. I wanted them to win but knew they lacked the edge in that shootout. When we equalized at Wembley last year, I just knew we would go on and win that game. Think they need a few more experienced winners. When everyone is fit they have a good first 11 but are lacking that push to get them over the line. Sooner or later the players and coach will need to make a decision, trophies are what it's about ultimately. It's a shame because they are a good side.
Sergio Ramos ballooned one over the bar against Bayern. He has 4 champions league medals, 2 euros and a world cup. Bottler.
As have Roberto Baggio and Sergio Ramos and plenty others. Does not make them "bottlers" in the slightest though, does it now? Granted Spurs have lost a few semis and finals, but that is harsh to call them bottlers, especially after tonight.
Edit: @Dominos beat me to it.
That nearly enforces left footed players can't score (see bottom right vs left). Topic for another day.Rightly so. Azpilicueta's penalty is the one everyone should study and emulate.
Here's an interesting image. The xG values for penalties when the keeper dives the right way. Gives you an idea that this wasn't clever by Jorginho. Although I enjoyed it when it went in.
And how many results are that?
Spurs are the GOAT bottlers hahahaha
Very interesting, it confirms the notion that mid-height penalties are the easiest to save.Rightly so. Azpilicueta's penalty is the one everyone should study and emulate.
Here's an interesting image. The xG values for penalties when the keeper dives the right way. Gives you an idea that this wasn't clever by Jorginho. Although I enjoyed it when it went in.
What is the source?
Agree..
What on earth is going on in here?
Another trophyless season for the mighty Spurs.
It's that stutter/hop that he took right before he shot. It put the keeper off and he picked his side a fraction early and Jorginho just passed it in the oppisite side. I have a teammate who does the same thing and he always sends the keeper the wrong way. I tried it once and kicked my own foot...
My first coach taught me a very long time ago that you can never go under the net, but you can always go over. On our team, if you took a penalty and you put the ball high you never took another. Even if you scored. He was very strict on shooting low and aiming for the triangle in the side netting. If the keeper saved it, hats off to him. If you shot wide, he would be upset but you would get to redeem yourself. If you shot high, he would lose his sh*t...
They played well to come back into the game, but then again, "Lads, it is Spurs"
It is. To be fair though, it's often the case that they've been good enough to beat the teams up to that point, but once they get there they're playing better teams whom they can't beat.
I do imagine playing for a club that always loses semi finals must weigh heavy on your mind when you're in a semi final. It's like the England, or Germany, records for penalties. "We always lose/win at this" (delete as appropriate) must impact your mental state. The awareness of it makes the trend self-fulfilling to an extent.
You could lose a thousand finals in a row and not bottle any of them. I'm also of the theory that you can win a final while bottling it but I get why that might be unpopular. An example: Roy Keane said watching the 1999 final that the Bayern players had bottled it in the last 10 minutes, having been the better team they were just strung out across the penalty box waiting for it to end. That would have been the case even if Teddy and Ole didn't do what they did.
With that all said,
at bottley Spursy Spurs.Even if you change the premiss of what Roy Keane is saying, he still speaks the truth. Alternatively, if they won he could have said they nearly bottled it but got lucky. If you lack bottle you won't have the confidence to do what you are set out to do, and this implies a failure. The aim is to win a game of football so even lacking something for a brief moment, if you then actually pull it together and win, you had the bottle for it. But then again of course, everything can't be blamed on confidence, in that case we should just word things differently.
Threadbare squad, no transfer budget and two star players out.
Hardly surprising, is it?
Hardly surprising, is it?
Tbf they're still in Above United competition.
Believe Dele is injured for a couple of months too.
No, and not because of the threadbare squad. L
Can't comment on the league cup; but 7 Fa-Cup semi-final losses in a row gives an idea.
what a surprise the Pochettino has lost another trophy, perfect coach for Spurs, but apparently he is a favourite for many MU fans too
Said this before but if you swap him with Howe, Silva or Santo as manager, no one would even notice. The way Tottenham crumble under the slightest whiff of expectation is alarming and alarm bells should be fecking ringing everywhere.
Isn’t this just because more players are right footed, and the ball (shot harder) spins away from the goalkeeper when shot bottom left by the majority of players?
Another trophy for the cabinet.
Amazed how much Spurs are getting criticised for this. They looked absolutely exhausted, dead on their feet. Past failures may be constituted as "bottling", but I don't think this qualifies. This squad just can't compete on multiple fronts. Until there's greater investment, this will always be their ceiling.
They conceded two soft goals in the first half when all they had to do was hold on. If you have a depleted team away from home in a cup tie you're already winning you don't set them out with plan A and more of plan A when plan A doesn't work.
For fecks sake, we beat Arsenal with O'Shea, Fabio, Raffael and Gibson in midfield once. Stop making excuses for shitty management.
Spurs have done nothing but dig out results for most of the season. Their performances have largely been poor bar the Chelsea league game and a few over Christmas when they bagged a lot of goals. They look like a team that haven’t strengthened in years. Pochettino has done remarkably to keep getting results I would say.