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Please quote yourself stating he would certainly be punished in his domestic season as well before the announcement was made by FIFA.Because he bit someone, For the third time. And then reacted as if nothing was wrong.
Forget Liverpool, it's nothing to do with them. It's about punishing Suarez. No way FIFA were going to let him play domestic football straight away, that wouldn't have been a serious enough punishment.
That's why anyone who thought it wouldn't affect his domestic season, like you, were wide of the mark.
Well obviously that will have been taken into account when the ban was decided upon. I find it staggering that so many people keep posting this.the football ban for 4 months needs to start when the EPL begins because if that is not the case then technically he will only be suspended 2 months from his club.
I'm actually quite concerned about that. I hope Tabarez keeps the team's head screwed on tight but I have absolutely no idea what Balbi may do, he is flying to Spain to get together with some lawyers who will work on this on Suarez' behalf (remember his agent is Pere Guardiola).Only in a small minority of cases.
Besides the Uruguayans are bound to come up with something really comical in the appeal and FIFA wont be impressed.
I didn't think it was a good tactic, just that it was the only option. Different things.Yea but you thought the denial was a good tactic, so....
As I understand it, he will miss 21 competitive games. Which is a fairly hefty ban.They should have banned him for the number of matches instead of months because technically, he is only missing out 2 months of the EPL which is pretty lenient considering it's his third offence.
When did not biting people become 'extreme'?I think is the most naive thing in the world to think Real and Barcelona are not interested in Suarez anymore just because of this incident. If anything this is going to help them to get the player, since the british are the only ones this attached to extreme moral values.
It was barely a headbuttWas Pepe's history considered when he was sent off again for headbutt?
Biting is a little more severe than a faux headbutt.Was Pepe's history considered when he was sent off again for headbutt?
Not many complained about that being a wrong sending off at the time in here..It was barely a headbutt
Here are three:Please quote yourself stating he would certainly be punished in his domestic season as well before the announcement was made by FIFA.
There was uncertainty that FIFA even had legislation to punish him in national governing bodies before the announcement.
And where was this talk when Pepe did his 'thing' for ninth time in what.. 2 years?
Needs to be a global ban. Imaging the outrage if Liverpool miss him for 6 months or more.
I honestly think he's going to get hammered here. Fifa will nail him. To do this on the global stage, Fifa's baby, in Brazil, in front of millions during a tournament that is getting praised for it's exciting football...
The last world cup he was involved in a cheating storm v Ghana. Between tournaments he's been found guilty of making racist comments to a player, biting other players. And now he's come out with these comments today saying "these things happen"
Suarez is fecked. No doubt. And Liverpool will suffer for it.
Good enough for you?We will soon see. This is a first. Never has a player bit someone in a World Cup, Fifa's baby, their cash cow, which gets viewed by billions of people around the world. On top of that he has previous for biting & judging by his comments last night, isn't sorry for his actions. He's asking for it imo.
I really think it will be a severe punishment which will affect Liverpool as well as Uruguay.
He was sent off. He got a 1 game ban so it couldn't have been that badNot many complained about that being a wrong sending off at the time in here..
Excellent post which of course gets buried in the constant renditions of "idiots", "comical", s at Lugano and various statements about hating Uruguay because of the way this was handled.I can't see Uruguay admitting anything.
Lot's of South American cultures place a high value on protecting their own…it's called individualism v collectivism.
I use this in cultural training with my work and it's an extensive study but here is a brief Wiki overview.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstede's_cultural_dimensions_theory
In some research undertaken by cultural expert Hofstede, he analysed the responses people would give to the police in different types of circumstances.
In Europe, individual integrity is a massive thing, so if someone in your family killed someone (as an extreme example), you would be honest with the police and NOT support your family member. Doing the right thing and taking personal responsibility is critical…it's about being honest within societal norms.
South American countries ranked the lowest to this question, saying they wouldn't help police and would 100% back their own. They have a collective view on responsibility and as a consequence incredible loyalty to each other regardless of the behaviour.
So there is a culture clash here between European press demanding one thing and a Uruguayan Football Team responding completely different. It has nothing to do with whether or not the Uruguay FA, management or players saw anything, agree Suarez bit someone or think he should be punished.
It is totally within their cultural norm to protect their own and admit nothing.
It's not right or wrong….it's just different.
Extreme to the point of not wanting the player is an exaggeration that only englishman would understand. Let´s not forget this is the same nation that crucified Cristiano Ronaldo for blinking in 2006.When did not biting people become 'extreme'?
Must be a right kick in the teeth that.As I understand it, he will miss 21 competitive games. Which is a fairly hefty ban.
With all due respect, bullshit..I can't see Uruguay admitting anything.
Lot's of South American cultures place a high value on protecting their own…it's called individualism v collectivism.
I use this in cultural training with my work and it's an extensive study but here is a brief Wiki overview.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstede's_cultural_dimensions_theory
In some research undertaken by cultural expert Hofstede, he analysed the responses people would give to the police in different types of circumstances.
In Europe, individual integrity is a massive thing, so if someone in your family killed someone (as an extreme example), you would be honest with the police and NOT support your family member. Doing the right thing and taking personal responsibility is critical…it's about being honest within societal norms.
South American countries ranked the lowest to this question, saying they wouldn't help police and would 100% back their own. They have a collective view on responsibility and as a consequence incredible loyalty to each other regardless of the behaviour.
So there is a culture clash here between European press demanding one thing and a Uruguayan Football Team responding completely different. It has nothing to do with whether or not the Uruguay FA, management or players saw anything, agree Suarez bit someone or think he should be punished.
It is totally within their cultural norm to protect their own and admit nothing.
It's not right or wrong….it's just different.
I disagree with this. If Suárez had sincerely apologized after the match and accepted responsability for any possible sanction everything would have been much better, even if he had got the same punishment. Whoever at the Uruguay FA thought denial was a good tactic to face this situation needs to think again. The whole Uruguay FA have made themselves look ridiculous at world stage.I didn't think it was a good tactic, just that it was the only option. Different things.
Yep, and hope by doing so you get a lighter punishment for confessing.I disagree with this. If Suárez had sincerely apologized after the match and accepted responsability for any possible sanction everything would have been much better, even if he had got the same punishment. Whoever at the Uruguay FA thought denial was a good tactic to face this situation needs to think again. The whole Uruguay FA have made themselves look ridiculous at world stage.
The only option when you get caught on camera, in front of the whole world, is to admit your guilt.
With only 3m people .. but two world class players ... they must have thought they had a chance this year. It is soul-destroying when the dream dies.I think that's because they pin the hopes of their national team on Suarez, though.
I blame their World Cup wins. It must have a strange effect having two world cups to your name but having been largely irrelevant in world football for half a century.
I'd just call it common decency. I'd be concerned if we bought a player who had bitten someone before or was an open racist. What Ronaldo did was condemnable but the tabloid press here try to stir things up a lot. They don't necessarily reflect the mood of the nation.Extreme to the point of not wanting the player is an exaggeration that only englishman would understand. Let´s not forget this is the same nation that crucified Cristiano Ronaldo for blinking in 2006.
In what culture is randomly biting someone during a football match considered okay? Just curious.I feel simpathy for Luis Suarez. T he way english people eact to these kind of things is just ridiculous but funny at the same time. "this is wrong", "this is right", "I am right". It is really a fecked up society at so many levels, no wonder Americans are that way too (even worst in my opinion)
There´s an obsession to apply their moral standars to the rest of the world, something that deep down is racist to me, englishman see the the rest of the globe as uncivilized creatures which give them the right to "educate" them into the right way of acting and thinking.
This is in a more deeper lair connected to the Hegelian philosophy and the neo hegelianism, and those are the philosophical foundations for colonialism and imperialism. But hey, thats another story.
You've got to be kidding me, I have no love for England as a nation for its past and I still think Suarez' ban was lenient. I think you'll find there was outrage coming from every part of the world.I feel simpathy for Luis Suarez. T he way english people eact to these kind of things is just ridiculous but funny at the same time. "this is wrong", "this is right", "I am right". It is really a fecked up society at so many levels, no wonder Americans are that way too (even worst in my opinion)
There´s an obsession to apply their moral standars to the rest of the world, something that deep down is racist to me, englishman see the the rest of the globe as uncivilized creatures which give them the right to "educate" them into the right way of acting and thinking.
This is in a more deeper lair connected to the Hegelian philosophy and the neo hegelianism, and those are the philosophical foundations for colonialism and imperialism. But hey, thats another story.
Because your view of right and wrong is framed by the actual act, your values are such that it is all about whether the act is right or wrong. What that post indicates is certain cultures have different priorities, their values focus on a different type of right and wrong. Not protecting your own is "wronger" than whether the act is right or not for us. I know it sounds ridiculous to you but it's not a logical formula, it's the nuances of cultures and how certain things take precedence.With all due respect, bullshit..
It is WRONG..
Just because it is cultural, doesn't make it 'not wrong.'
It is wrong...
What Roy Keane did is far worst than what Suarez did. I do not judge either of them, that's not my position in life or my way of seeing things.I'd just call it common decency. I'd be concerned if we bought a player who had bitten someone before or was an open racist. What Ronaldo did was condemnable but the tabloid press here try to stir things up a lot. They don't necessarily reflect the mood of the nation.
It does seem that most other countries are happy to cheat as much as possible and hope they don't get caught though. The Uruguayans must be morally bankrupt frankly.
What Roy Keane did is far worst than what Suarez did. I do not judge either of them, that's not my position in life or my way of seeing things.
Don't talk of the uruguayans as a morally bankrup nation if yours is responsible for the death of millions of people through history and the biggest atrocities of all time in economical, social and political levels. Defending the actions of a football player hardly define the course of a nation, wars, colonization, imperialism, capitalism, all of them in its worst form do define a nation and has defined the Britsh Empire for the last two centuries.
Do you really want to talk about moral values?
Well, the british idolize war lords as Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatcher, there are strange moral standars all over the world. Defending Luis Suarez for his stupidity during a football match hardly makes the Uruguayans the worst of the lot.In what culture is randomly biting someone during a football match considered okay? Just curious.
You are thinking about what gets the lowest sentence, not what is best for the team, the fans, the entire setup... We don't go out without a fight, even if it is a losing battle. If Suarez did that the entire team and travelling fans would have felt like "feck's sake Luis, that's game over now" and the wind would come out of their sails. The display against Colombia would have been horrendously bad and half-arsed.I disagree with this. If Suárez had sincerely apologized after the match and accepted responsability for any possible sanction everything would have been much better, even if he had got the same punishment. Whoever at the Uruguay FA thought denial was a good tactic to face this situation needs to think again. The whole Uruguay FA have made themselves look ridiculous at world stage.
The only option when you get caught on camera, in front of the whole world, is to admit your guilt.
Yes. I want to talk about moral values. In sport.What Roy Keane did is far worst than what Suarez did. I do not judge either of them, that's not my position in life or my way of seeing things.
Don't talk of the uruguayans as a morally bankrup nation if yours is responsible for the death of millions of people through history and the biggest atrocities of all time in economical, social and political levels. Defending the actions of a football player hardly define the course of a nation, wars, colonization, imperialism, capitalism, all of them in its worst form do define a nation and has defined the Britsh Empire for the last two centuries.
Do you really want to talk about moral values?
Quite
Talk about goalpost moving.
What is this 'own' you talk about?Because your view of right and wrong is framed by the actual act, your values are such that it is all about whether the act is right or wrong. What that post indicates is certain cultures have different priorities, their values focus on a different type of right and wrong. Not protecting your own is "wronger" than whether the act is right or not for us. I know it sounds ridiculous to you but it's not a logical formula, it's the nuances of cultures and how certain things take precedence.
I don't expect you to agree, just to open your mind a bit to the possibility that some people have a different way of going about things that is hardwired into them from the moment they are born. If that applies to South Americans, imagine how much more it applies to Uruguayans, stuck in between two much much larger countries they constantly had to engage in wars against to keep their independence.
It's one of the things that explains how a country with 3M people can have 2 WCs, 2 Olympic Golds, 15 Copa Americas (more than Argentina or Brasil) and its clubs have 8 continental tournos and 6 Intercontinental ones. Name me countries with comparable records, you will struggle to get to five and they all have at least 15 times our population.
I'm curious, what nationality are you?Well, the british idolize war lords as Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatcher, there are strange moral standars all over the world. Defending Luis Suarez for his stupidity during a football match hardly makes the Uruguayans the worst of the lot.
You really don't understand to what extent the shirt weighs on our players' shoulders and how much they are willing to sacrifice for it. It's the WC, it's all that fecking matters from the day you are born.Yep, and hope by doing so you get a lighter punishment for confessing.
Marca and a couple of the other Madrid gossip reporters said about three weeks ago that Suarez was off the target list. Too expensive for someone who was not wanted by Ancelotti. Barcelona suddenly became the front-runners. I wasn't sure if it was true, a facesaving exercise, or just a negotiating lie.I think is the most naive thing in the world to think Real and Barcelona are not interested in Suarez anymore just because of this incident. If anything this is going to help them to get the player, since the british are the only ones this attached to extreme moral values.