The top four were higher quality than this top six
The David Moyes appreciation thread
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Pretty much our entire defense will go in. Rio and Vidic were totally washed out.
Our midfield, as bad as it's now, was actually better than the midfield at this time. We had at this time what, Carrick and Cleverley ? Fans were moaning about the midfield for ages at this times.
The attack at this time was better though with more options.
If only we'd have held our nerve, ah well....
Jesus Christ
Mindblowing, isn't it. Whoever thinks that is having a laugh.
We could replace Ole with Moyes.
Would that work?
Funny post.We're celebrating a 1-1 draw at home to Liverpool, ending the game with 6 at the back in 14th place.
Standards well and truly lowered.
The Moyesiah is back, baby!
In all genuine seriousness, Moyes was much better than Ole, and Moyes was diabolical...
But agree on all points.
Moyes was a mid table manager (he used to have Everton in around 6th-8th place).
Ole is a bottom of the league manager (got Cardiff relegated and has us currently 2 pts above the relegation zone).
There's not a big difference. RVP more or less papered the cracks over Fergies last team.
The gulf is bigger imo...
Moyes was top 8/10 premier league level. What has ole done to prove he is even a championship level mid table manager?
Yeah. Not much of a difference except the whole back line being better, Rooney and RVP being better than the while forward line we have now, Carrick being better than Matić and a better bench. But yeah, not a big difference.
Our defense during last Fergie year was hardly a good one. We were making ton of comebacks and last minute winning because we were god awful defensively. That was due to Rio and Vidic being totally washed out, and the next in line were Evans, Jones and Smalling, who were hardly top defenders.
Looking at the stats we conceded 43 goals, second worst among top 6 after Spurs with 46 during Fergie last year.
Carrick was better than Matic but that is it. The midfield options were underwhelming and fans were moaning for years about getting a new midfield. We currently have Pogba and Scott at least. At these days our best option in midfield beside Carrick was Cleverley, especially during Moyes season after Scholes retired.
The attack was better than the current team though no doubt about that.
That team had a top tier manager in Fergie, 2 world class attackers in Rooney and RVP with loads of guts and fighting ability when they go down, but the general quality of the team was degrading. The experienced players were all getting washed out, and some were close to retirement. The young players in the squad were honestly not that exciting, and the likes of Chihcarito etc weren't players you can depend on as a full time starter every week.
It's a squad that finished its cycle with Fergie retirement and needed a massive overhaul, with many signings all over midfield and attack. They won the league, but that was a last push from Fergie. LVG got rid of plenty of this squad once he took over and rightly so.
Of course that doesn't mean Moyes was not a terrible appointment. He wasn't suited for the rebuild job, just like how Ole currently isn't suited for the rebuild job.
I wish I could look at Moyes and "Ha! That was shit. Thank feck we aren't there anymore." But we're actually a far worse season. Didn't think that was possible 6 years on 
I know, it's idiotic.
Moyes inherited a team that won five championships in the past seven seasons, a team that could soak up pressure and then strike with deadly efficiency.
Ole inherited a team that has not challenged in the past six years, and only made top 4 in two out of the last six seasons, a squad that is completely unbalanced and that has the imprint of 4 different managers and their corresponding philosophies.
But yeah, let's do the pointless Dany Mills exercise of comparing position for position and declaring that the two are similar. I don't have the strength.
Ah i see where you're going wrong now mate i think you've misinterpreted my initial post. I didn't say whether or not Ole would have done better than Moyes with the 2013 team i said he would have done better than himself.
Moyes never really had the dressing room, and the players did not respect him. His small time press conferences didn't help either. If Ole loses the dressing room he too will go
Better than the current one though, and i'd say the likes of Rooney, Fletcher, Carrick, Rafael, Nani, Valencia, RVP, Chicharito, Evans, etc circa 2013 were better than most of what we have right now and were vastly more experienced in terms of winning, big games, european competition. etc.
When you compare the squads there's a huge gap in quality and experience.
I would probably agree to an extent but that doesn't negate my point that its much harder to get into the top 4 the last few years than it was then. As i said they only came 4th because Liverpool gave up oin the league and were resting players.
Rooney and Carrick are fair play.
Fletcher was done at this point. Next season under LVG played few games, didn't convince, was sold in Jan.
Rafael, he was becoming injury prone by Moyes seaosn and after LVG sold him, again in Jan of his first season in charge, he did absolutely nothing in the rest of his career. He had a great season when we last won the title, but didn't convince for the next parts of his career, at United or after it.
Evans, not better than our current 2 main defenders imho, though it's a point that many will argue about.
Chicharito, he was a squad player that you thew in when you are losing or pressing to get 1 more goal. Of course a solid option on the bench but he was never a main starter player and couldn't become later on either.
Nani, LVG sent him on loan once he got the job then got sold. Did nothing after he left either.
The problem is you are evaluating this squad based on names. Yes, on the paper the names are far better than now, but on the pitch is a different story. It was a squad that consisted of majorly washed out players that Fergie made one last push with and squeezed everything form the majority of them in his last season. That was it for them. It was time for the majority of them to move on and start a rebuild. We didn't, so what happened happened. LvG came and sold the majority of them, but ended up replacing them with bad players too, which didn't solve the problem.
Both this squad and the current one needed/needs a rebuild and both of them hired the wrong manager for that imo.
Of course. Moyes inherited a dynasty, a team that finished 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st and had been at the CL final 3 times in the past 4 years.
He managed to dismantle that legacy, erode the institutional knowledge of the coaching staff, and just create a culture of inferiority around the club.
By contrast, Ole inherited a team that finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 2nd, 6th and had only won minor trophies (FA Cup, UEFA).
I'm not saying Ole is better than Moyes or vice versa, but to elevate Moyes to anything beyond mediocrity is lunacy.
The absolute insane thing about that record was that, for the two 2nd place finishes, we missed out on 1st by a total of 1 point, too, right? Or am I misremembering?
Correct. We missed out by a point in 2010 and goal difference in 2012.
Crazy to think 1 point separated us from 7 league titles in a row! Then Moyes finished 7th straight after that brilliant run
And you can blame some of the senior pros for taking liberties as much as David Moyes for that.Crazy to think 1 point separated us from 7 league titles in a row! Then Moyes finished 7th straight after that brilliant run
Ah, yes. That I agree with
How ?
Questioning everything he asked them to do/not to do for starters, and encouraging impressionable youngsters like Adnan to do the same.
And who/when was this ?
We’re at a level now where Moyes would excel. He’d get us back up the table to 7th.
On what logic are you basing this on?
I think it’s based more on sarcasm than logic.
Let's not forget the Zaha sleeping with his daughter rumours.
Unpopular opinion but we would be in a better place had we had ice in our stomachs and stuck with Moyes. He deserved more time.
Letting him go postponed our rebuild 5-6 years. Now we have Ole and the club looks like it’s dedicated to giving him the time needed. Hoping they’ve learned not to pull another Moyes.
Letting him go postponed our rebuild 5-6 years. Now we have Ole and the club looks like it’s dedicated to giving him the time needed. Hoping they’ve learned not to pull another Moyes.
Moyes appointment shook the foundations of the club from which United still are trying to recover from. Liverpool made the same mistake by appointing Souness in 1991 and that was something to learn from but instead it was ignored.
It's well documented who, it seemed every week one of the senior players weren't happy about something, double sessions, jagielkagate, what no chips! etc etc.
08/07/13, 15/07/13, 22/07/13, 29/07/13 .... .... ....
I don't know why there is a 'David Moyes appreciation thread'. Fergie endorsed his appointment, and that was one of Fergie's biggest mistakes. Moyes completely destroyed the club, and fans who are defending him are out of their fecking minds.
Feck David Moyes.
Feck David Moyes.
If you told accomplished CB's like Rio and Vida to be like Jagielka, they have a right to be pissed. One wonders why such stories never came out just a year before.
Moyes was a mid-table clogger who was completely unsuitable for the club. As Lindegaard said, we tried to charge an iPhone with a Nokia charger. It was only going to end one way.
I suggest you read the op.
Yeah because that's what really happened when you were sweet 16
Yes Moyes had a much better team and he would get us around the 5,6, 7th mark. Ole had a worse team but again he made it worse. Give Moyes the team Jose had and he would get us around those positions. He may even get us into the CL too.
The team Jose had was more a David Moyes kind of team.
The team Jose had was more a David Moyes kind of team.
Ferguson was certainly able to keep a dressing room of strong characters together in a way Moyes never would. That Moyes season shambles set the new culture of the past 6 years.
If the club was unsure of post-Fergue succession they should have hit up a proven flexible manager like Ancelotti for three years while providing a major backstage overhaul after a detailed review. Ancelotti would have been a good sounding board for this with his experience working at many of the other big clubs.