If we'd have beaten Liverpool, this would have been the boost we needed. Ah well.
The Race for Fourth Place
- Thread starter KiD MoYeS
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Personally not sure I could see a way that we would have beaten Liverpool with Moyes in charge. If we had done so they would have been the best team we would have won against all season.
'Pool will finish atleast 3rd. Arsenal to finish 4th as always.
I'm accepted our crapness this season. Might as well laugh at others...
Beat City, and I reckon we can take 4th from Arsenal. End of season collapse will commence
Stop giving me hope again.
Nope.
It's too late. Even Arsenal can't Arsenal this up to lose 4th now.
11 points behind with 8 games left. Not happening.
Even if Arsenal were to collapse it will probably be Everton who end up benefiting.
Even if Arsenal were to collapse it will probably be Everton who end up benefiting.
The top four is settled. It's the champions what needs settling.
I could see them losing 2 of their next 3 games, but we are effed because even if we get back into it Newcastle are lodged between the Bayern games
I believe!
I can see us losing two of our next three games!
It's over, rcoobc. But your belief is admirable.The frustration is that we have the best away record in the league. We've fecked this season up by unacceptably losing points against teams we should be beating - West Brom, Southampton, Newcastle, Everton, Fulham; all at home. Any other season, they're home bankers, and we're comfortably in the top four. Not sure quite what the issue at OT is, but we need to sort it.
Had a quick look at their remaining fixtures. I reckon they'll get at least 75 points.
Providing we win our last 8 games we could pip them on goal difference, though...
Arsenal always lose to good sides. It doesn't really effect their form vs the poor teams. Not to mention Everton are 7 points clear of us if they win their game in hand and we're 2 points behind Spurs still.
No chance we finish 4th. Even if we win every game remaining I'm not sure Arsenal will drop enough points and we won't do that.
Everton have a small chance of cracking the top 4, but that's it.
No chance, door closed on top four last weekend.
Well, then...
A win away to Everton, a further Arsenal capitulations, coupled with us winning our remaining games could see us get 4th place after all.
What an achievement it would be considering how far behind we were not so long ago.
A win away to Everton, a further Arsenal capitulations, coupled with us winning our remaining games could see us get 4th place after all.
What an achievement it would be considering how far behind we were not so long ago.
It's just too little too late for me, even if it is mathematically possible.
Really makes you wonder where we'd be if we won at least 60% of the home games we've played so far.
Really makes you wonder where we'd be if we won at least 60% of the home games we've played so far.
We aren't getting fourth.
Arsenal won't drop seven points, have you seen their remaining games?
Beat Sunderland and Palace and we will be 12 points ahead of you. You'd have a game in hand though.
Arsenal's remaining five games:
v West Ham (H)
v Hull (A)
v Newcastle (H)
v West Brom (H)
v Norwich (A)
There's no way Arsenal are going to lose 2 and draw 1 from those games. Not a chance.
They'll win the three home games comfortably and probably win or draw the others too.
And that's assuming we win all our remaining games, which we probably won't.
v West Ham (H)
v Hull (A)
v Newcastle (H)
v West Brom (H)
v Norwich (A)
There's no way Arsenal are going to lose 2 and draw 1 from those games. Not a chance.
They'll win the three home games comfortably and probably win or draw the others too.
And that's assuming we win all our remaining games, which we probably won't.
we'll probably miss it by 5-6 points in the end, and spend all summer choosing what we reckon cost us.
The 90th min equalisers v Fulham, Southampton, Cardiff,
The 4 days of madness, losing to both Everton and Newcastle 1-0 at home
The West Brom home farce.
etc
The 90th min equalisers v Fulham, Southampton, Cardiff,
The 4 days of madness, losing to both Everton and Newcastle 1-0 at home
The West Brom home farce.
etc
Well you just group most of that together and say the home form.
We could still have our terrible record vs the top 5/6 and be close to the top if it wasn't for all the stupid points lost as you've mentioned.
Meanwhile outside of lala land, Everton have given themselves a real chance now. It will be tough with games against United and City (although they are home games and their form has been astonishing at Goodison). That away game at Southampton could be crucial.
Where's this certainty that Arsenal will go the rest of the season unbeaten coming from? They've not won in their last 4 (5 if you include the CL game), and have only picked up 2 points in that time. They've got Hull away, which I wouldn't expect to be an easy game, and their last two games are against West Brom and Norwich who are both fighting for survival. Considering their current form, it's not really too wild to suggest that they'll drop points in the run-in. Everton have also got to play a couple of relegation scrappers, as well as facing us and City. We're clearly the outsiders here, with Arsenal's dip in form, our chances are certainly looking better than they were a couple of weeks ago. We win our remaining games (which will be difficult given our inconsistent form all season), and we're in with a good chance. I personally think it's Everton's to lose after today's result. Arsenal appear to be in freefall.
Wait, an Arsenal side who have won two games out of the last 7 is suddenly absolutely certain to win all of their last 5?
If they show the level of fight and desire they did today for the rest of the season, they could be surrendering their 4th place trophy.
If they show the level of fight and desire they did today for the rest of the season, they could be surrendering their 4th place trophy.
How would it be an 'achievement' to come in a position in the league that nobody expected you to be in as low as at the start?
Maybe Moyes is doing it wrong, should've had us in relegation all season and then with a strong end we'd achieve great things by finishing 16th.
If we beat Everton then it'll at least be interesting. Too late to grab it though, I suspect.
You're an idiot.
Maybe you should actually read his post.
Maybe I am, I'm not a deluded one though.
I read it, I get it, he's saying it in the context of the last few games, I still don't see how you can call that in any way an achievement though, considering how we got into this position in the first place.
Beating Everton just puts Arse in pole position really. If there were 10 games to go rather than 5, it'd be more interesting for us given that form and performances have improved in the last fortnight.
i hope Everton will the the 4th. First at all i think that the media would take more focus on Arsenal, we were dubbed title contenders. Second of all, Arsenal's collapse would be perceived bigger as they kept their manager and got Ozil. Second of all i would be much easier to attract big players to United if both United and Arsenal were without the Champions League. Third, Everton would drop off next season as they wouldnt have squad to cope with CL and League.
Moyes?
Don't be silly, Cina. You have a shit first half, 2-0 down at the break, storm back to win 3-2, that's an achievement, isn't it? Even in a game you had expected to win? Of course we hoped for higher than 4th, but 4th spot now would be a real, tangible, genuine achievement.
Makes sense. Personally I root for Everton.
Us coming up from behind and grabbing fourth would mean we win all our remaining matches, and both an Arsenal and an Everton collapse. It would be too bizarre after a season like this.