Sparky_Hughes
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Rich cnuts in being cnuts shocker
Well that seems like pretty nice and very positive and mature system. And like @shamans said I can see why using a phone or a cheat sheet wouldn't be of much help in an advanced subject in most fields anyway, but that definitely doesn't stop all the universities over here (and presumably other forms of higher education as well) from putting a very authoritarian surveillance system in place.My professors handed us the tests or essay prompts, then went back to their offices.
I never saw a kid cheat. There were kids who did though, they got turned in by their peers and kicked out of school by the Honor Council, made up of their peers.
We all signed the Honor Code on our 1st day there, and in it we agreed that if we saw academic dishonesty and didn’t report it, it could be proven, that we would be put before the Honor Council as well.
No clue how many other universities do that system, but mine and the one my wife attended both had that in place.
Hahaha. feckkkk. That's the 1% of the 1%.we bought a horse
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I think most of that is classified as endowments, where to benefactor can say, I won't give you $50 million unless you admit my nephew and such. There's some acceptance of that system but this issue is an organized racket helping less wealthy but still wealthy people cheat the entrance exam and scholarship system.I thought it was common knowledge that rich people bribed schools to let in their kids or give them special priviledge. Seemed so normal to me that I honestly forgot that it was illegal.
The kids had to have known and played an active role in it.So the parents illegally pay (bribe) to get their kids accepted to prestigious colleges, the parents get found out and are prosecuted in court and their kid is then embarrassed not only by the prosecution but also by the fact that everyone now knows they weren’t clever enough to be got there the legitimate way. Nice one parents!
Oh yes, but now instead of being chuffed about it they’ll be embarrassed by it.The kids had to have known and played an active role in it.
The thing is too, the kids aren't all dumb as people would like to image. They can still get into really good unis but status and pride overwhelms them.Oh yes, but now instead of being chuffed about it they’ll be embarrassed by it.
Ah yes, quite right. And hopefully expelled.Oh yes, but now instead of being chuffed about it they’ll be embarrassed by it.
Yes, being expelled from a prestigious uni for fraud will be worse than not being admitted in the first place.Ah yes, quite right. And hopefully expelled.
Good luck explaining that on their YouTube channels.Yes, being expelled from a prestigious uni for fraud will be worse than not being admitted in the first place.
That must go down well with the rest of the team I imagine.College (american/throwball) football in the united states is rampant with this. It's not that the athletic scholarship is fake, it's just that the parents paid the university and their "donation" or a lot of it directly goes to their choice of department. In these cases it's the athletic department donation/fund. With that, their child, who could have already been admitted as a regular student or not admitted at all because they couldn't qualify (i.e. wasn't smart enough or testing wasn't up to par), is now part of the team participating in practice, using student-athlete resources (food, equipment, education support, etc.) for 'free'.
There were plenty of 'student-athletes' that just took up space on the sidelines and looked the part. Couldn't do shit athletically if needed to do so in some functional manner.
I know a fair amount of college football and college wrestling coaches. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard of this happening.College (american/throwball) football in the united states is rampant with this. It's not that the athletic scholarship is fake, it's just that the parents paid the university and their "donation" or a lot of it directly goes to their choice of department. In these cases it's the athletic department donation/fund. With that, their child, who could have already been admitted as a regular student or not admitted at all because they couldn't qualify (i.e. wasn't smart enough or testing wasn't up to par), is now part of the team participating in practice, using student-athlete resources (food, equipment, education support, etc.) for 'free'.
There were plenty of 'student-athletes' that just took up space on the sidelines and looked the part. Couldn't do shit athletically if needed to do so in some functional manner.
Accepting money for a sports scholarship is one thing....but then actually bringing them into the team is just stupidity and an easy way for the coach to get caught. I bet they play a secondary role or be in bench nominally before dropping off the program totally.College (american/throwball) football in the united states is rampant with this. It's not that the athletic scholarship is fake, it's just that the parents paid the university and their "donation" or a lot of it directly goes to their choice of department. In these cases it's the athletic department donation/fund. With that, their child, who could have already been admitted as a regular student or not admitted at all because they couldn't qualify (i.e. wasn't smart enough or testing wasn't up to par), is now part of the team participating in practice, using student-athlete resources (food, equipment, education support, etc.) for 'free'.
There were plenty of 'student-athletes' that just took up space on the sidelines and looked the part. Couldn't do shit athletically if needed to do so in some functional manner.
This is one thing I don't get about the obsession of rich families in the US as to which college the kid is getting in. There are so many good colleges! People treat certain colleges as a lifetime golden ticket, but the truth to me seems that a competent individual that goes to any out of the dozens of good colleges has the lifetime golden ticket regardless.The thing is too, the kids aren't all dumb as people would like to image. They can still get into really good unis but status and pride overwhelms them.
Going to Pepperdine or USD or USF isn't as "cool" or "prestigious" as USC, Harvard, etc. feck that noise. Go where you're wanted/accepted and grasp it. It's a fecking social thing more than pure education thing which is soooo annoying.
Connections. It isn’t what you know, but who you know.This is one thing I don't get about the obsession of rich families in the US as to which college the kid is getting in. There are so many good colleges! People treat certain colleges as a lifetime golden ticket, but the truth to me seems that a competent individual that goes to any out of the dozens of good colleges has the lifetime golden ticket regardless.
(I know this is unrelated to this case, where it seems like parents just wanted to get their thoroughly useless kids into USC)
Indeed.Connections. It isn’t what you know, but who you know.
Difference between good vs elite. You can get a good career from many colleges, but a elite start can only happen from few.This is one thing I don't get about the obsession of rich families in the US as to which college the kid is getting in. There are so many good colleges! People treat certain colleges as a lifetime golden ticket, but the truth to me seems that a competent individual that goes to any out of the dozens of good colleges has the lifetime golden ticket regardless.
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I’m not at all surprised by this, I am however surprised that the feds have followed through on the investigation and charged them. It’ll probably result in the usual “priveleged” justice though.... a fine that doesn’t make even the smallest dent in their overall wealth.I've become so cynical that it's a suprise anyone would be suprised by this. I mean half of the republican braindeads went to decent colleges...
Are you kidding me? No White text or anything!I shudder to think how the kids would feel now. They may not have an idea of their parents actions and now will be ostracized for this.
It's not like they asked for this, right? Are you blaming the kids as well here?Are you kidding me? No White text or anything!
Hell yes I am blaming them too.It's not like they asked for this, right? Are you blaming the kids as well here?
It's not like they asked for this, right? Are you blaming the kids as well here?
If you gain a place as an athlete and you’re not an athlete....?Parents paid Singer between $100,000 and $6.5 million to carry out the athletics admissions scheme, according to prosecutors, with most paying between $250,000 and $400,000 per student.
Singer worked with parents to fabricate athletic profiles for their children that boasted fake credentials, honors and participation in elite club teams. Sometimes it involved staged photographs, prosecutors say, or even doctored photos where a student's face would be posted onto a stock photo of an athlete pulled from the internet.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/...d-admissions-bribery-case-reports/3139204002/
Yeah, there might be some universal truth to that 3rd generation thing. Even the 2nd generation is dependent on higher education actually adding value to the family business in that model, which isn't always the case. The first generation have the benefit of actually choosing/finding a business model that works, while for the following generations it's an entirely different motivation (keeping/improving social status).@Abizzz
Folks wonder why the 3rd generation always runs the company into the ground...
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/keeping-wealth-past-3rd-generation-scott-mccollum
Rich kids who shouldn’t be in college anyway taking over when they got by on the mantra “D for degree”
Or “you” score a 1450 on the SAT or a 33 on the ACT and can’t name the 50 states, use an Oxford comma, or find a derivative.If you gain a place as an athlete and you’re not an athlete....?
And likely grew up entitled little shits.The kids had to have known and played an active role in it.
Ah yes because the rich always have to suffer the consequences of their actions. Or you know maybe Manafort could have been extradited to Ukraine for war crimes instead of a cushy 4 year number in the US. The rich have and will always be above the law.Yes, it’ll be a good learning curve for them, hopefully.
Or cannot even show up for class because A) you don't show up B) you don't even know where the classroom is until you're handheld, literally, walked to classOr “you” score a 1450 on the SAT or a 33 on the ACT and can’t name the 50 states, use an Oxford comma, or find a derivative.