No more faith in Tuanzebe and we could have bought ourselves another attacking player which we desperately need.
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Shite.
I’d rather have toblerone.
Bailly, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Blind, Tuanzebe. 6 CB for two spots only. Even if we go for 3 at the back, that's enough for numbers too. TFM can also be the 7th. It doesn't make any sense why are we spending a lot of money on a player who is not above Jones, Smalling & Bailly in pecking orders & not trusting one youth player.
Christ, just seen that second goal. That's more than a mistake, absolute dog shit.
How is he any better than Tuanzebe?
Jose has made a pointless signing in him it seems, and now will take time to accept.it.
Jose has made a pointless signing in him it seems, and now will take time to accept.it.
Tbf, it took a fecking solid brass neck for him to do the "Calm down" gesture at DDG a couple of times today. Made me think of this:
No way this idiot could put their furniture together. He'd screw that up as well.
What is especially odd about Lindelof is that he seems to just allow attackers to dictate to him. The first goal today was a classic example, instead of confronting Ince further up the pitch he backtracked until he was virtually in the 6-yard box! If this lad ever makes a PL CB I will eat my trainers
I think he got some tips from smalling, because that backing off move is textbook smalling. He's the opposite of Jones and Bailly who take the attacker head on and if they fail they foul them and get a yellow.
I know. But for a coach that does not want to use youth players, it makes sense for him.
But, so far evidently for us, not exactly.
Maybe he wanted to play 6 3 1 and it would certainly fit his playing mentality description : defensive coach. Jk
Probably a lack of confidence due to his slow uninspiring start to the season and new club. Its one thing to have the ability to use the ball well, but another thing to have the confidence and character to do it in a tight game. Plus thats how Matic is used to playing so would probably do it regardless of who is playing in defence
Its because he has no pace. When you have pace you can push up and press the ball and hope the attacker botches the final pass. Maybe get close enough to foul. When you are slow you are afraid the ball carrier may just skin you and you won't even get near. That's why you should never sign centre backs who have no pace. No idea why we signed lindelof tbh.
Really, really, really wanted to give him a chance as players don't always settle in immediately, especially when there is a big jump in the quality of the league they play in.
However there is no excuse for the complete and utter cowardice that this guy shows every time the ball comes within 5 metres of him. He jumps out of the way of shots, he closes his eyes when trying to head the ball and so far for United he looks completely unsuited to being a PL centre back.
However there is no excuse for the complete and utter cowardice that this guy shows every time the ball comes within 5 metres of him. He jumps out of the way of shots, he closes his eyes when trying to head the ball and so far for United he looks completely unsuited to being a PL centre back.
They're grossly underated
I see what you did there.
This transfer isn't looking good. He's been a disaster ever since he stepped foot on the pitch for us in pre-season. The only positive so far is that he has genuine talent with the ball at his feet. I'd really like him as a CB if he toughens up and and settles down.
The strange thing about that is both Lindeloff and Smalling have quite a bit of pace for CBs.
So i think its actually the opposite. They have pace so they think they can wait for the attacker to make a move and cut them off. Slower players tend to be better at reading the game because they cant rely on apace as much.
Lindelof is slow. Smalling has pace. If you have pace if you push up and the ball is played through, you can sprint back to close down the ball and the angle. If you are slow you won't get back in time so you retreat. But as you retreat the ball gets closer to your goal and you have less space to work with once the ball is played thru. So no matter how slow you are at some point you must hold the line and make the player commit. Lindelof chose to do so too deep. Then he panicked.
From his Benfica games, Lindeloff actually has decent pace.
His poor 1v1 defending was made up at Benfica by his pace which allowed him to make recovery tackles.
But whatever it is, he is absolutely shocking.
I think his pace is average at best for the PL.
You might be right, because PL players tend to have a bit more pace and bulk to them.
I agree. but to be fair he has 1.5 seasons under his belt as a top pro.
I don't know if he's good, bad or just off form.
However it's telling that we're having to ease him in as if just last week he was working as an accountant.
I'd be amazed if a guy who basically wasn't trusted to play in the Prem at 23 becomes first choice at a club like United.
However it's telling that we're having to ease him in as if just last week he was working as an accountant.
I'd be amazed if a guy who basically wasn't trusted to play in the Prem at 23 becomes first choice at a club like United.
Once Rojo is back it will take a(nother) major injury crisis for him to play in the league again this season. He'd be 5th choice CB at best (I'd have him 7th behind Blind and Tuanzebe).
A very strange signing. We already had four established Premier League centre backs with a maximum age of 27, a useful option in Blind and two very promising young players. The only sensible reason to sign another was to upgrade, but nothing Lindelof has done in his career so far indicates that he offers that. £35 million is crazy money to spend on a player who is unlikely to improve your team, let alone a downgrade on what you've got.
I'm not seeing any promise here. He'll spend next season on loan to a Portuguese or Spanish club and will be quietly sold at a massive loss after that.
I'm not seeing any promise here. He'll spend next season on loan to a Portuguese or Spanish club and will be quietly sold at a massive loss after that.
Had a mare today. Mourinho and the reaponsible scout(s) are to blame for wasting money on future deadwood we cant get rid of for a good fee
Should never play for the club again. Loan him out in January then sell him in the Summer and recoup some of the money. He is 23 and we have 4 centre backs better than him and Blind. He won’t find a place in the squad when everyone is fit.
If Mourinho wants a defender to mold into his type of player then do that with Tuanzebe and Mensah.
We can’t afford to give him time to get better, we need players who can perform now. It was different with Vidic and Evra because they were still better than he is and there was room for them to improve because our squad was already great.
If Mourinho wants a defender to mold into his type of player then do that with Tuanzebe and Mensah.
We can’t afford to give him time to get better, we need players who can perform now. It was different with Vidic and Evra because they were still better than he is and there was room for them to improve because our squad was already great.
It's not just in the air. He positionally poor by EPL standards. He waits...and waits...and waits...when the opposing player is driving at him. He doesn't trust his own ability as a defender.
Surely there are defenders out there who are cheaper than Lindelof to be good enough for his 5th or 6th choice. Even Michael Keane is cheaper than him. It's just doesn't make any sense.
I think the manager has to take the blame for losing 3 points today. He had Blind on the bench and he took a gamble instead. It was the decision to play a player who isn't good enough. The performance of Lindelof has nothing to do with the manager.
Well, tbf, we are saying it now coz the guy is not working out so far. He can still prove many of us wrong.
Also this notion that jose knows what he is doing in transfer market especially with defenders.
I don't find any benefit from loaning him. Going on loan to another league won't make him suitable for our league, and all his mistakes are fundamental things that if not present from start will never be acquired. His forwardness in challenges or his heading aren't something I think a defender will develop later if he even misses the basics.
Just a failure of a signing. It happens from time to time anyway. Just sell him in summer and move on.
Just a failure of a signing. It happens from time to time anyway. Just sell him in summer and move on.
In 18 months Bailly, Rojo, Tuanzebe and Smalling will still be on this roster. They are all probably going to be better in the air and on the ball DEFENSIVELY than him.
His signing smells like a cookie thrown to Mou because he wanted a guy from the Portugese league.
He's average to poor now, and he was slightly better than average in the league he played in previously. He's NOT a future starter on Man United.
Jesus Christ!rojo can't come back quick enough,
I agree with what you say, so find his signing very puzzling.
Also why throw him that cookie? And if he wanted a 'a guy from the Portuguese league' there are surely better players he could have chosen?
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I have been saying this since July so it's not like I just said it now. Not being haters but the point is I don't see anything that make sense from this signing. We had plenty of CB options for 2 CB spots or 3 CB spots. We spent a lot of money for a centre back who needs more time and probably needs more time than a teenager like Tuanzebe. Every Jose signings from Bailly to Lukaku were making any sense apart from this one.
Oh I am not arguing against you. I would prefer 'the kids' to be in that spot instead of him and use that money for a LB or a winger myself.
But for the sake of united, I do hope the guy become a massively good CB.
But still. I can't see any sense of signing a new centre back when we already have 6 exclude him. The only new centre back we should go is a first choice starter as an upgrade. Not adding another "backup" centre back when we have plenty.
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