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ghagua

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I agree with both of you that he can’t be written off without being tried a few times. And I wouldn’t mind if Ole tested him as a DM in a cup match or two. However this is a discussion about him being suitable or not, and personally, I don’t think he has what it takes to become succesful in that position at this level and the way we play. He is perfect no 3 as CB; Reliable, seldom injured, has a high lowest level, knows all the players and how they play etc, let’s keep him there. There will be plenty of games for him as CB.
Agree. I just the thought of people writing off something without even trying it. I personally think Lindelof has the attributes to play the CDM position from the players we have. Matic is too old and his legs are gone, Fred is stinking up the place and McTominay seems to play better as a 8.

On a similar note, I would even give Donny a go in that position. People are writing him off too without him being given a "proper" chance. I don't mean a minute here and there, but at least 5 games on the trot to build up a rhythm. Hell, we kept giving James chances after chances. I just want a fair chance given to a player who is a Dutch international, brought up in the Ajax system, and had played in a semi-final of a Champions League before writing him off.
 

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Brilliant player for a 3rd choice CB.
The suggestion that he should be tried at DM is laughable. He'd be worse than Matic.
I seem to remember that Sir Alex used Ronnie Johnssen as a DM when Roy was injured or suspended. He also used O'Shea as a Midfielder.
No one is saying he is a midfielder but we could try it. If it doesn't work, then stop. We are not going to get anyone before January so we don't have many choices
 

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I seem to remember that Sir Alex used Ronnie Johnssen as a DM when Roy was injured or suspended. He also used O'Shea as a Midfielder.
No one is saying he is a midfielder but we could try it. If it doesn't work, then stop. We are not going to get anyone before January so we don't have many choices
Surely Donny deserves a chance before we start putting CBs in midfield? Lindelöf will give us what Matic does in midfield but worse.
 

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Surely Donny deserves a chance before we start putting CBs in midfield? Lindelöf will give us what Matic does in midfield but worse.
I am a season ticket holder at Ajax and have never seen Donnie play as DM. He always played as either an 8 or mostly rotating with Tadic as a false 9. His best work was always in the opposition penalty area
 

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I am a season ticket holder at Ajax and have never seen Donnie play as DM. He always played as either an 8 or mostly rotating with Tadic as a false 9. His best work was always in the opposition penalty area
We often play with two 8s though. Would rather see that than a cb as dm.
 

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We often play with two 8s though. Would rather see that than a cb as dm.
But then we end up playing with Pogba on the left wing limiting our attach to 2, which is a shame give our attacking options. We need one person instead of Fred and Mac.
I've never said that Lindelof is the answer but until January at the earliest we don't have many options. Also many people seem to think Rice is the answer but is he not a converted Central Defender and looks like it playing for England?
 

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I am a season ticket holder at Ajax and have never seen Donnie play as DM. He always played as either an 8 or mostly rotating with Tadic as a false 9. His best work was always in the opposition penalty area
Thanks, I don't know where this comes from, the notion that VdB can play as a 6 or a DM. He's a #10 that is capable of playing #8.
 

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Thanks, I don't know where this comes from, the notion that VdB can play as a 6 or a DM. He's a #10 that is capable of playing #8.
Well, VdB said so himself that he can play #6, of course we haven't seen him do so here on a consistent basis, there is also the fact that Ole never selected him to play that role on a regular basis, but there is a possibility him being able to play as a #6
 

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Well, VdB said so himself that he can play #6, of course we haven't seen him do so here on a consistent basis, there is also the fact that Ole never selected him to play that role on a regular basis, but there is a possibility him being able to play as a #6
I'm not saying he can't play as a 6 but he never played there for Ajax. On the other hand at that time Ajax had the best number 6 in the world (Frenkie), so there was no need
 

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Actually you make some good points. All DMs don't need to chase down players like Kante. Lindelof at CB is not going to allow him to be pressed nor is he going to hunt down players leaving empty space behind him. His passing and his reading of the game is good. He has got decent pace and his control and passing is a lot better than Fred and McTominay.
Can he play in midfield? We won't know until it's tried. I would like to see it in a decent cup game or an arranged match. Unless he turns out to be brilliant we need to get a new quality DM.
Ah yes, sorry, maybe I wrote it badly, I meant that his potential as a DM shouldn’t be judged on the fact that he doesn’t run around chasing players as a CB. I forgot the username, but that user used the fact that Lindelöf doesn’t do those things as a CB as an argument for why he’d be a bad DM.

It’s just not fair argumentation. Lindelöf shouldn’t do those things when playing CB and that is the main reason for why he doesn’t do them, not because he’s unable or unwilling to. So we can’t draw a conclusion from that since it doesn’t say anything about his DM-skills.

Whether or not he would be a good enough DM for a club like Man Utd I can’t say before I’ve seen him play as a DM a few times. All I know is that he played DM in his youth career sometimes, so obviously at least someone at Benfica saw some potential in him for that position.

So I wouldn’t expect him to be horrible as a DM. He’s probably the most likely of all our CBs to play in that position, but if he’d have success as DM in the PL is a completely different story.

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It's asking too much of a CB to become a CDM. We're not the kind of club which can afford the dropped points to allow for that kind of player transformation.
 

dronesoul

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Lots of oracles on here who already know that he can’t play DM before even seeing him play DM.

Many modern CBs are capable of both. I’m not saying I know he’ll be a good DM (since I’m no oracle).
 

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It's asking too much of a CB to become a CDM. We're not the kind of club which can afford the dropped points to allow for that kind of player transformation.
Tell SAF
 

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I guess he lost a duel with a forward doing it really good up until the finish. What about it?

Real question is what the forward is doing with the finish :lol:

And what a fecking save! :eek:
 

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I guess he lost a duel with a forward doing it really good up until the finish. What about it?

Real question is what the forward is doing with the finish :lol:

And what a fecking save! :eek:
Exhibit A for a lack of aggression on aerial balls.

It'd be nice to see a few passes prior, but basically any long ball in his general direction and his first instinct is to let it bounce and defend on the ground. In this case he lost the battle on the ground.
 

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Very bad at both goals too. I can imagine his fanboys here will be like: Yeah he made three mistakes but overall very decent performance. He's shit and will have a game or two where he will don't make a mistake (yeah standards dropped low) but then again absolute trainwreck performances like this. Let's hope he's sold while he still has a value because he will cost us like he did so many times before. Brown and Oshea were far from perfect but twice as good as Victor Puppy Lindelof, and that's the quality of a 3rd/4th choice CB we should aspire to, not someone so unreliable and indcredibly mistake prone like this fraud. Captain fantastic.
 

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Had a poor moment on one counter where he was first passive and then slipped on the grass, but overall a good game and by far the best defender ( his CB partner had a nightmare evening). Saved one open goal on the line and clearing many balls in the box. Maybe could have done better at their first goal but not sure what.
 

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Yikes.

@golden_blunder ;)

Exhibit A for a lack of aggression on aerial balls.

It'd be nice to see a few passes prior, but basically any long ball in his general direction and his first instinct is to let it bounce and defend on the ground. In this case he lost the battle on the ground.
He does have an alarmingly high amount of instances where he does this, it's truly bizzarre how fundamentally poor he is in this aspect. It's defending 101, doesn't matter if it's the PL or Serie A.
 

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We won't win anything as long as we still have this fraud of a centre half anywhere near our team.
Strong words, he got beaten clearly once if I remember correct.

Not bad I would say, but also nothing special performance.
 

Kopral Jono

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Strong words, he got beaten clearly once if I remember correct.

Not bad I would say, but also nothing special performance.
I've never liked him since day one and I still fail to understand why Mourinho bought him in the first place, and why Ole persisted with him for so long. He belongs in the fraud department along with the likes of Schneiderlin and Depay.
 

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When Dalot took the free kick to Maguire's header, there was one player decided not to shoot and chose to play a weird pass to Varane. Was he Lindelof? What is wrong with our players when they were in the box, they chose to play around or pass to the wrong player when the shooting chance was open.
 

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Could we play him at RB and have him come infield as a sort of hybrid full back/ midfielder during games?

His ability on the ball is seriously underrated. He's not a regular at CB anymore, so we could consider using him there.
 

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Could we play him at RB and have him come infield as a sort of hybrid full back/ midfielder during games?

His ability on the ball is seriously underrated. He's not a regular at CB anymore, so we could consider using him there.
Because he seems scare of his own shadow and is backpeddling a lot trying to not get skinned by a good dribbler - you want him to be even closer to the action? Don't think that is a good idea. There is more to play in midfield than just being a good tackler (which is a bit debatable already) and making the odd good long pass when he has time on the ball.