He does appear more grown up, but I always get the sensation that he is a handy player when things are going well, but he often sulks when things are not going well; the last couple of months, the team has played well, and subsequently he looks better, and leads the line better as well, but are you satisfied with him when the going gets tough?Rooney's generally been excelling in leading the line for us for the past couple of months now. RVP had some okay games here and there, but I don't think he's really had a sustained spell of very good form over the season.
His vision isn't good enough - people compare him to Scholes, but no doubt would Scholes have seen Fellaini there.That was an opportunity when Fellaini headed the ball to him. Don't know why he didn't turn and shoot rather than hook it.
You must have an agenda against Rooney thenI'm a massive Rooney fan but his hold up play is got to be better as it's been dire. The same as it was against Liverpool. Come on Wazza!
I do think you've got a decent point with the first part in that a lot of his good form has perhaps coincided with ours, however from watching us over the past couple of months, I'd have to say there's a clear difference in play between him and RVP when Rooney's in our side. Works harder, and contributes more to the team as a whole. RVP can get away with that only if he's scoring a superb number of goals, I think.He does appear more grown up, but I always get the sensation that he is a handy player when things are going well, but he often sulks when things are not going well; the last couple of months, the team has played well, and subsequently he looks better, and leads the line better as well, but are you satisfied with him when the going gets tough?
Anyways, as a striker, It's probably his best position, but I just fail to see how he's a major upgrade on RVP. Am I bashing Rooney more than those who want Rooney over RVP are bashing RVP? Bizarre logic that.
Yep strong but it's his touch that's been dreadful when his back is to goal.You must have an agenda against Rooney then
It's weird though, because when he was younger, his hold up play was terrific, so strong.
He does work harder and is much better defensively. However, I don't think RVP is as poor defensively as people claim. He often sprints back to make an intercepting tackle; he does seem a little more at loss in taking up positions whilst defending than Rooney. A weird thing is that RVP is stronger at hold up play than Rooney, but much, much weaker in dueling for the ball. Agree with your last sentence; I'm not quite sure what happened with RVP's finishing.I do think you've got a decent point with the first part in that a lot of his good form has perhaps coincided with ours, however from watching us over the past couple of months, I'd have to say there's a clear difference in play between him and RVP when Rooney's in our side. Works harder, and contributes more to the team as a whole. RVP can get away with that only if he's scoring a superb number of goals, I think.
Agree - that and his short passing leaves a little to be desired. I never fully understood how one can master 40 yard passes, but not 4 yard passes.Yep strong but it's his touch that's been dreadful when his back is to goal.
Third game in a row, he can't hold the ball to save his life at the moment, but he'll probably come up with a late goal which will make people say he's been good..but his hold up play is got to be better as it's been dire
Not today perhaps since it's not been his strongest game, although this is arguably something he was adding to our team that RVP didn't when we started playing him up top again.He does work harder and is much better defensively. However, I don't think RVP is as poor defensively as people claim. He often sprints back to make an intercepting tackle; he does seem a little more at loss in taking up positions whilst defending than Rooney. A weird thing is that RVP is stronger at hold up play than Rooney, but much, much weaker in dueling for the ball. Agree with your last sentence; I'm not quite sure what happened with RVP's finishing.
I'm not convinced with Rooney's movements up front - no runs in behind the defense.
To be fair his all round game has been ok and he is full of energy but if he held the ball up better we would be thumping City.Third game in a row, he can't hold the ball to save his life at the moment, but he'll probably come up with a late goal which will make people say he's been good..
It's too drilled into him. I said in the match day thread, Rooney to Valencia must be up there as one of the most played passes in football history.He only ever looks to the right hand side of the pitch. Fellani was through in the goal if he just turned around and seen him.
The first couple of games he was great - I was very happy with him, but his form has fallen since then, I think. He wasn't good against Liverpool at all, for instance, and I don't recall him being good against Tottenham either. I didn't watch the Villa game though, maybe he was great there?Not today perhaps since it's not been his strongest game, although this is arguably something he was adding to our team that RVP didn't when we started playing him up top again.
What a sheltered life you've must lead.The last counterattack just before the HT whistle, when he chose to switch it to Val with the entire City defence on that side rather than Fellaini free behind him was the most depressingly inevitable thing I've ever seen.
Well he did get that excellent goal against Villa. And he was one of our key players against Tottenham. Worked hard, and got a goal too.The first couple of games he was great - I was very happy with him, but his form has fallen since then, I think. He wasn't good against Liverpool at all, for instance, and I don't recall him being good against Tottenham either. I didn't watch the Villa game though, maybe he was great there?
If he plays well in the 2nd half I'm sure he'll get credit for it. Come on Wayne.What a sheltered life you've must lead.
Come on Wayne lad, let's have 'em eating their words!
You're probably right - Tottenham game being too far back for my aging memory. Closing my laptop for the second half and fit to resume the discussion afterwardsWell he did get that excellent goal against Villa. And he was one of our key players against Tottenham. Worked hard, and got a goal too.
Yeah, most of our team was superb in the Spurs game, to be fair.You're probably right - Tottenham game being too far back for my aging memory. Closing my laptop for the second half and fit to resume the discussion afterwards
What I will say though as I have said in other threads is that I see RVP as a better #9 purely because of how good his hold up play is. I don't think Rooney is very good with his back to goal and is a lot more comfortable playing from deeper positions and is a better finisher.What the heck are you on about? And what about addressing me instead? Cheesy is having a good discussion. I asked a serious question. I didn't say that Rooney was utterly garbage and should never play a game in his life for us never again, did I?
That post was entirely serious.What a sheltered life you've must lead.
Come on Wayne lad, let's have 'em eating their words!
That's ok mate - don't think I've seen you done that beforeWhat I will say though as I have said in other threads is that I see RVP as a better #9 purely because of how good his hold up play is. I don't think Rooney is very good with his back to goal and is a lot more comfortable playing from deeper positions and is a better finisher.
Sorry for snapping but it's annoying to see people take pot shots at him for no reason when he's playing quite decently.
Agree that he was a little meh today? Great assist, but he just loses the ball far too often.Yeah, most of our team was superb in the Spurs game, to be fair.
Oh yeah, I'd definitely say he was fairly average today.Agree that he was a little meh today? Great assist, but he just loses the ball far too often.
88% pass accuracy. Only Mata did better.Agree that he was a little meh today? Great assist, but he just loses the ball far too often.
Not his passing, that was fine, but the amount of times he had a poor touch. Those can hardly be denied can they?88% pass accuracy. Only Mata did better.
A couple but people over emphasize when it comes to Rooney. Mata for example fecked up a couple of touches which halted our momentum going forward but you sure as hell won't see that mentioned in that thread.Not his passing, that was fine, but the amount of times he had a poor touch. Those can hardly be denied can they?
Your agenda is ridiculous. You think Rooney's been fine but you are critisizeing Mata.A couple but people over emphasize when it comes to Rooney. Mata for example fecked up a couple of touches which halted our momentum going forward but you sure as hell won't see that mentioned in that thread.
I agree.A couple but people over emphasize when it comes to Rooney. Mata for example fecked up a couple of touches which halted our momentum going forward but you sure as hell won't see that mentioned in that thread.
Because Mata rarely does that - Rooney has a poor first touch, and it is something I find it weird that commentators don't pick up on.A couple but people over emphasize when it comes to Rooney. Mata for example fecked up a couple of touches which halted our momentum going forward but you sure as hell won't see that mentioned in that thread.