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That's the "one" goal he mentioned in his tweet.Didn't he score against Arsenal at the Emirates in the Autumn, in the league?
No.Just realised he contracted till 2019 on that wage, wow, he'll be 34 then... do we really think hes going to have a another 4 years at the very top level?
I touched upon this in another thread, and I really think we have a real problem on our hands here. He might be fine for another season but I can't see anything else happening other then that his decline will continue.Just realised he contracted till 2019 on that wage, wow, he'll be 34 then... do we really think hes going to have a another 4 years at the very top level?
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Ah yeah sorry, read the tweet too quickly!That's the "one" goal he mentioned in his tweet.
I’m not sure. I used to think he’d eventually drop back into a midfield role permanently and perform fairly well in around 2011 when he was performing superbly as a second striker, but I doubt that’ll happen now.Just realised he contracted till 2019 on that wage, wow, he'll be 34 then... do we really think hes going to have a another 4 years at the very top level?
Rooney's been better as a 10 than Mata for us. 4 starts, 4 goals and 1 assist this season. Mata didn't play better when Rooney served his 3 match ban.I remember thinking we'd have been better off selling Rooney when Moyes took over. Events after that proved me wrong though as RVP's form dipped along with that of the team in general and suddenly Rooney seemed an essential player again. His attitude and the way he embraced the captaincy has also impressed, I think.
Problem is, if we keep improving then we will eventually return to a point where we have better players in the positions he plays, which will make it difficult to justify starting him. We already have a better #10 in Mata imo and if we were to sign a top quality striker then Rooney wouldn't deserve to start as a #9 either (in much the same way RVP took the role when he arrived). Add in however other many signings and what happens to Rooney?
Not a problem right now but it could become one very quickly.
Still think Mata is the better player now though. He's younger and he's previously reached a higher level at #10 than what we've seen from him so far.Rooney's been better as a 10 than Mata for us. 4 starts, 4 goals and 1 assist this season. Mata didn't play better when Rooney served his 3 match ban.
His natural goal-scoring abilities alone would guarantee 15-20 goals in a season but IMO he looks to be slowing down. I mean, he may be one of our quicker players up front but as a team overall we're slow. LVG also seems to want a high-possession striker who can hold up the play and service other players moving forward, which is why van Persie played so much early on in the season even when he wasn't scoring. Rooney's touch and ball retention abilities are bad these days, even Welbeck would've been better at it if we kept him.Is Rooney good enough realistically to be our main striker in the formation we play? Does he score enough? If we wanted to mount a realistic title challenge next year, could we do it with Rooney as the main man?
He's the sort of striker like Benzema and Lewandowski, who can keep the centre backs occupied and who can provide assists or create chances for players like Memphis and Bale. If we use him like that, he's a very good fit, but I don't think he'll be the goal-scoaring machine he was in 09/10 and 11/12 again.Is Rooney good enough realistically to be our main striker in the formation we play? Does he score enough? If we wanted to mount a realistic title challenge next year, could we do it with Rooney as the main man?
When was the last time he made a Ronaldo-esque run into the box? I can remember him doing this when Ronaldo was playing next to him, which is 5 years or so ago.I agree. It's easy to forget what Rooney's strengths are when watching him in the current system.
He is a world class counter attacking player. His decision making on the break, and ability make runs into the box at the right time is second only to Ronaldo. I can easily see why Mourinho would want to work with him, they'd be perfect for each other. What he is not particularly good at, is finding an opening in a tight defense... which is what we've had to face almost every single game this season.
I don't think he's likely to get us +25 a season goals under LvG, but if our wingers start chipping in with goals, I'm sure he'll be very useful for years to come.
When was the last time he made a Ronaldo-esque run into the box? I can remember him doing this when Ronaldo was playing next to him, which is 5 years or so ago.
Right now, yes.Give it a rest you lot. There are many bigger problems in our squad than Wayne Rooney.
This "problem" exists only in your mind!Right now, yes.
All we have to do is sign a striker who is currently better than Rooney though (Benzema, for example) and suddenly there's an argument that Rooney shouldn't get in the starting eleven. Given he's our captain and is on massive money that then becomes a fair problem.
He did it plenty after Ronaldo left too. His second goal at the Etihad game (2-3, RVP's injury time goal) comes to mind.When was the last time he made a Ronaldo-esque run into the box? I can remember him doing this when Ronaldo was playing next to him, which is 5 years or so ago.
Lots of sense here in a thread full of garbage for the most part.A lot of people saying they doubt his ability to get goals prolifically, yet he's scored 14 in 37 this season - a pretty good total if you consider he spent a hell of a lot of time in midfield. On top of that, when he's played up front, it's hardly been as part of a swashbuckling, attacking team. With additional games next season, a more fixed position in the side and the team generally performing better as an attacking unit, I see no reason why he can't get 20+ goals.
Rooney is one of the few hardened leaders and winners in our squad - we should think carefully before jettisoning that. The issue is more how we can keep Rooney in a position on the pitch where he's going to get goalscoring chances on a regular basis and the key is to ensure the other areas of the pitch are manned properly, so he doesn't need to be shunted around. Not to mention the fact that we need to inject the team with a couple of pacier players.
We scored 62 this season - Chelsea won the league with 73 goals, but they had a pretty good defence. If we say you need to score 75 goals to be in contention, we're looking for another 13. I don't see that burden falling on one player. I reckon Depay could make up a good chunk of that. What I do like about our squad is the ability to spread the goals around - Herrera, Mata and Fellaini (urgh) should all be looking to get near 10 goals, for instance.
The first paragraph is true for both Rooney and RVP though. The latter of which people have been lamented as totally finished all season. RVP has 10 goals in 27, whereas Rooney has 12 goals in 33. Rooney has played deeper more frequently, but RVP played far more at the start of the season when the whole team was diabolical and the system was a shambles. It'd actually be interesting to see Rooney's scoring stats in different positions, as this season in my mind he's seemed to score a similar amount from midfield, number 10 and striker (although that could be hugely inaccurate).A lot of people saying they doubt his ability to get goals prolifically, yet he's scored 14 in 37 this season - a pretty good total if you consider he spent a hell of a lot of time in midfield. On top of that, when he's played up front, it's hardly been as part of a swashbuckling, attacking team. With additional games next season, a more fixed position in the side and the team generally performing better as an attacking unit, I see no reason why he can't get 20+ goals.
Rooney is one of the few hardened leaders and winners in our squad - we should think carefully before jettisoning that. The issue is more how we can keep Rooney in a position on the pitch where he's going to get goalscoring chances on a regular basis and the key is to ensure the other areas of the pitch are manned properly, so he doesn't need to be shunted around. Not to mention the fact that we need to inject the team with a couple of pacier players.
We scored 62 this season - Chelsea won the league with 73 goals, but they had a pretty good defence. If we say you need to score 75 goals to be in contention, we're looking for another 13. I don't see that burden falling on one player. I reckon Depay could make up a good chunk of that. What I do like about our squad is the ability to spread the goals around - Herrera, Mata and Fellaini (urgh) should all be looking to get near 10 goals, for instance.
How so? I'm saying *if* we sign better players than Rooney in the positions he plays then his starting role comes under doubt. Given that we are being linked to (or already have) players in exactly those positions then it's hardly insane to wonder if/when that scenario might come to pass.This "problem" exists only in your mind!
Focusing solely in goals is not enough. Rvp scored 10 in 25.A lot of people saying they doubt his ability to get goals prolifically, yet he's scored 14 in 37 this season - a pretty good total if you consider he spent a hell of a lot of time in midfield. On top of that, when he's played up front, it's hardly been as part of a swashbuckling, attacking team. With additional games next season, a more fixed position in the side and the team generally performing better as an attacking unit, I see no reason why he can't get 20+ goals.
Rooney is one of the few hardened leaders and winners in our squad - we should think carefully before jettisoning that. The issue is more how we can keep Rooney in a position on the pitch where he's going to get goalscoring chances on a regular basis and the key is to ensure the other areas of the pitch are manned properly, so he doesn't need to be shunted around. Not to mention the fact that we need to inject the team with a couple of pacier players.
We scored 62 this season - Chelsea won the league with 73 goals, but they had a pretty good defence. If we say you need to score 75 goals to be in contention, we're looking for another 13. I don't see that burden falling on one player. I reckon Depay could make up a good chunk of that. What I do like about our squad is the ability to spread the goals around - Herrera, Mata and Fellaini (urgh) should all be looking to get near 10 goals, for instance.
Unfortunately, one time a year doesn't make his performance next to Ronaldo. It is strange that he does well before Christmas and then falls off every year.
According to whoscored, he's played 14 games as a central midfielder, 4 games as an attacking midfielder and 14 games as a forward with one game as a forward on the left. It looks like they are just breaking down his league games.Rooney hasnt spent that much time in midfield, it's getting really overplayed atm. He's scored 4 in 14 matches as a striker, and also has played as no 10. for big parts of tbe season. He's been the main striker since Rvp got injured, and he's scored like 2/3 goals in that period?
Its hilarious how he's seen as some big issue when we have a team riddled with much bigger ones than him.Give it a rest you lot. There are many bigger problems in our squad than Wayne Rooney.
That's exactly how I feel. I don't think he's got the physical attributes nor the intelligence to create space for himself anymore.I wish we could have Aguero or Suarez in our team just to see if it really is the strikers or the rest of the team.
I have a feeling watching those 2 that they would create/score goals in any team in the world, where as with Rooney I don't feel that anymore like I used too.
Yep. People say "but he needs service", he never needed service when he was younger, he could beat players and make room by moving the defence around. It's not his fault but his body is catching up with him and just can't run like he used too. Yes if the team is build around him and used as a poacher he will still score, but in this team we need more than a poacher.That's exactly how I feel. I don't think he's got the physical attributes nor the intelligence to create space for himself anymore.
He's also lost the ability to turn his marker and make that extra yard to get a shot away in a split second like all top strikers do.
I don't think we could lose Rooney even if we wanted too. He earns a huge amount of money. No other club can or will pay him the same amount of money.My stance is that we should avoid doing a big overhaul of the squad. However if we do want to make a large number of changes then I would definitely support a 'changing of the guard' as far as Rooney is concerned. I dont feel that the club owes him any enormous measure of loyalty after his contract shenanigans - and I just dont think he is good enough to be the main striker for an elite club any more.