Very well put.
I mean you can't even rule out that sort of religious bollocks taking hold over here, it probably won't but who knows anymore. Any time i think things can't get worse they do.
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I mean you can't even rule out that sort of religious bollocks taking hold over here, it probably won't but who knows anymore. Any time i think things can't get worse they do.
Thanks!
I am hoping Benton is an aberration rather than the norm. He is a bit odd, apparently he hung the confederate flag out of his window at Uni and he got quite aggressive when challenged about the Christian Institute's position on gay conversion therapy given that he is a gay man.
This guy appears to be a cnut.
Ah yes, sadly that proved to be very effective. I do think that Labour and Ed Miliband in-particular deserve a lot of blamefor not fighting backing much more strongly after being blamed for causing a global financial crash. Plus he seemed to go to extreme lengths to distance the party from their time in government in 1997-2010, which included their numerous positive achievements such as noticeably reducing child poverty, reducing hospital waiting times, reducing school class sizes etc.
IIRC after Cameron became leader in 2005, the Tories presented themselves a shiny, new, tolerant, centrist party, before immediately reverting to type following the 2010 election. I'm far more sympathetic and understanding towards people who voted for the Tories in 2010, after Labour had been in power for 13 years, though the effects of excessive austerity from 2010-2015 were huge including causing many people to vote to leave the EU in 2016. I'm less sympathetic and understanding towards people who voted for the Tories to be re-elected at any of the next 3 general elections though, and have bitterly complained about the negative effects of that.
In-between their 2015 election win and the 2016 EU referendum when Cameron was still PM, I'll never forget Michael Portillo's scathing assessment of the first Queen's speech by a majority Tory government since the 90s:
Didn't know where to put this. This thread is depressing. Is there anything the government can do to reverse this decline?
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I remember that! A good balanced post all round. Interesting also for those now who think the Tories are unbeatable and the 'natural party of government', it's not that long since they spent 23 years without sole power. Times change and they will change again. Even in Scotland, before anyone mentions it
Portillo''s comments apply just as much today about the current PM.
Someone hasn't been to Crewe.....
And someone else hasn't been to Grimsby...
About 5 years ago there was a ridiculously discounted TV on Argos…..sold out of all the ones near me, but I was able to reserve one in Grimsby so I decided to drive there.
Yes it was a shithole, but the thing that stuck with me was the carpark we ended up in. It didn’t have windows, just gaps with bars, felt like you were in a medieval dungeon. Safe to say, we didn’t stay for lunch
Sadly this has been the case for more than a hundred years - since 1918 Labour have won just 8 out of 28 elections and three of those were Blair.
I think I’m right in saying he’s the only Labour leader to have won consecutive elections. Wilson won 2 but with a 4 year gap.
It’s incredibly depressing but the UK is a very conservative country.
the people are conservative with a small c, but the press is conservatice with a big C.
Basically every working class town centre in Wales/Scotland/the north of England looks something like that, doesn't it?
Yes Cnuts
I thought for a while that there was a growing number of people who were socially conservative wanting Brexit, reduced immigration, reduced foreign aid, greater patriotism etc., but also supported left wing or at least left of centre domestic policies. In a way it seemed like more and more people combined agreeing with much of what Labour were saying in 2017 re education, health, transport, utilities etc., and what UKIP were saying in 2015 in terms of a points based immigration system, huge reductions in overseas aid etc.
I felt that the big problem for Labour with their 'internationalism' (which I stress I completely agree with), was that for many of same those people when pushed to choose in 2019 and probably in 2015 as well, their socialism conservatism was enough to outweigh their support of a radical, progressive domestic agenda. It was easier for the Tories to address and satisfy the former through slogans, the help of the cosy cartel of newspaper editors on their side, stirring up hatred and culture wars etc.
I agree with all of that and would add another factor, that there are a large number of Labour voters and potential Labour voters that believe too much is given to those 'too lazy to work'. I've tried to counter that by asking why when the economy is doing badly there are four million too lazy to work but when it's doing well less than a million, but I don't think I've ever won over anyone with that line, something cleverer must be required. It's one reason why I am interested in universal basic income, to take the moral judgement out of the situation.
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Railworkers, criminal barristers, post workers, teachers talking about it.. Who will be next?
The summer of discontent
Boris told everyone in November that we can expect a high wage economy. Every single one of them should be using that at the negotiation table.
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Very good.
Great thread on Benton. I will stop mentioning him now.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1541472175466717184.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1541472175466717184.html
https://nation.cymru/news/trade-union-wales-act-2017/
Westminster doing away with a Welsh law that stops companies using temporary workers to undermine industrial action. fecking cnuts
Westminster doing away with a Welsh law that stops companies using temporary workers to undermine industrial action. fecking cnuts
Oh, they're openly advocating and legislating for strike breaking.
So first day of the protest laws and they're after the Stop Brexit Man already.
So much for claims they wouldn't stop peaceful protest. Christ we're slipping as a nation.
So much for claims they wouldn't stop peaceful protest. Christ we're slipping as a nation.
So after May's big speech about the NI protocol and how illegal and irresponsible the bill was she...didn't vote against it.
She's a massive fecking dickhead and always has been. Much like the rest of them tbf.
“The Tories in England had long imagined that they were enthusiastic about the monarchy, the church and beauties of the old English Constitution, until the day of danger wrung from them the confession that they are enthusiastic only about ground rent.”
Indeed Karl, indeed.
What about 'chief rent' on so called freehold ! Even more insidous !
Can never get over how everyone in parliament is so comfortable having the craic when there are all kinds of crises going on.
Having said that, thought Rayner was brilliant during PMQs. She's class imo.
Having said that, thought Rayner was brilliant during PMQs. She's class imo.
Wonder if anything will be made of Raab winking at her
I've just seen a vid on twitter claiming raab destroyed her. Haven't seen PMQs yet so I'm not sure of the context.
Supposedly from Private Eye but not seen the magazine myself to verify
