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More hatred towards Russia? What do you mean?
the russian invasion of ukraine is not the reason for this current state of affairs but it has been used as an excuse and is, by some, still being used as an excuse. macron in his "end of the age of abundance" speech has come close to telling the truth. that the market is essentially fecked, something which won't catch many people by surprise, and that this is the result of a longterm series of issues that were in play prior to february. which would be in play if russia and ukraine made peace tomorrow.

any politician or public servant using war rhetoric as cover for the cost of living crisis is telling you lies and doing it knowingly. the measures coming into effect in france are not for one winter. it will be marketed as that for now, but the transition will take longer than a year. moreover, the general effect of all this is "accept poverty without complaint because other people are dying in a somewhat related but not in any way causal event". and so that's where "russian hatred" is used rhetorically to sell something that has nothing innately to do with russia.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62664537

What an absolute race to the bottom this contest has been, and Sunak really just comes off terribly every time he opens his mouth.

Firstly, this screams of captain hindsight, I’d be willing to bet that his story of events didn’t happen. Secondly, all it’s saying to me is that he can’t negotiate or influence anyone - hardly a quality you want in a PM.
 

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The whole leadership debate has been crazy. It's essentially become a 6 week campaign where each candidates just parrots the worse of the Daily Mail propoganda.

That alone should prevent the tories winning the next general election but you just know instead it'll have shifted public views right.

With cost of living crisis they're going to ramp up the war rhetoric, the attacks on costly refugees, and push an anti-green agenda. This country is going to get a lot worse over the next year.
 

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Once again it's the 'let's blame those pesky scientists' game. Them with their decades of built-up knowledge and experience in the sector where knowledge and experience was needed! What we really needed to lead our response to the biggest international health crisis in a century was a bunch of bankers (admittedly that's 90% what happened anyway).
 

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Once again it's the 'let's blame those pesky scientists' game. Them with their decades of built-up knowledge and experience in the sector where knowledge and experience was needed! What we really needed to lead our response to the biggest international health crisis in a century was a bunch of bankers (admittedly that's 90% what happened anyway).
What’s even more hypocritical is that the Johnson government (of which Sunak was the second most important figure) religiosly repeated the slogan of “following the science” as a CYA exercise to avoid future scrutiny as the bodies piled up and the economy tanked,
 

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But it’s surely not surprising to anyone.
Of course not but May and Cameron would never talk about a French President that way. I’m not even sure Boris would to be honest. The general tone that they are getting away with now is completely, openly, in the gutter, in a way that it definitely wasn’t even through Brexit for serious MPs (I’m not counting Farage).
 

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Not at all, he was always one to serve with Boris and be part of the shambles however he seems to have gone even more deplorable in trying to be leader. Need someone to call the twat out to his face.
The reek of desperation as he switched from being Mr prudent on tax to promising crazy cuts, then coming out with all that shite about 'woke leftie lawyers', then his obvious lack of empathy with ordinary people when he can't even use contactless.
His voting record was awful -standard Tory- but he'd somehow seemed vaguely more palatable before going into this campaign or maybe just the least worst cabinet member and not a total half-wit - maybe him distancing himself from Johnson a lot helped too. He's been totally unmasked as a repellant cryptofascist though.
 
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So Lord Cruddas' campaign to get 10,000 Tory party members to sign a petition for the party to veto Johnson's resignation is at 8,700. If they reach 10k it seems the party will be forced to look at it and maybe have a ballot on it, likely just after the leadership election results are announced a week on Monday and potentially massively undermining the winner's position.

Boris Johnson supporters tantalisingly close to their dream of a veto on PM’s ousting

It means that if a further 1,300 validated members sign the petition, the party will have to look at changing its constitution and allow a ballot on whether to accept Mr Johnson's resignation.

This would potentially throw the existing leadership election into chaos, as any ballot will almost certainly take place after the winner has been announced a week on Monday.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/25/boris-johnson-supporters-close-veto-pms-ousting/
 

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The reek of desperation as he switched from being Mr prudent on tax to promising crazy cuts, then coming out with all that shite about 'woke leftie lawyers', then his obvious lack of empathy with ordinary people when he can't even use contactless.
His voting record was awful -standard Tory- but he'd somehow seemed vaguely more palatable before going into this campaign or maybe just the least worst cabinet member and not a total half-wit - maybe him distancing himself from Johnson a lot helped too. He's been totally unmasked as a repellant cryptofascist though.
Exactly this. Both of them have been pandering to their supporters during these hustings with idiotic comments to appease them. Whoever wins, they will be taken apart by proper questioning.
 

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This is scandalous. I dread to see the impact this will have on people in the winter. These hikes were already planned in so decisive action could have been taken to support people but nothing has been done. The Tories are truly the scum of the earth.

 
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How we are not in the streets is a scandal.
Other governments are doing a lot more to help their citizens.
 

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This is scandalous. I dread to see the impact this will have on people in the winter. These hikes were already planned in so decisive action could have been taken to support people but nothing has been done. The Tories are truly the scum of the earth.

All set for Liz Truss to announce an unprecedented package of support from the suddenly appearing magic money tree to get the masses back on side :rolleyes:
 

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How we are not in the streets is a scandal.
Other governments are doing a lot more to help their citizens.
We're not in the streets because we've spent year's villifying all socialist/protest movements. They're not required you see as the sensible centrists have it all under control.
 

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Sometimes, I love this country. :lol:
I'd love to laugh at this but his smirk at the end says it all about him, his party and the majority of people who vote for them. Couldn't give a single feck as long as they pay fewer taxes.
 

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I'd love to laugh at this but his smirk at the end says it all about him, his party and the majority of people who vote for them. Couldn't give a single feck as long as they pay fewer taxes.
I think the smirk is because he's embarrassed.
 

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I think the smirk is because he's embarrassed.
Maybe, probably. Given he's a Tory it's hard not to think he's thinking 'Look at this emotional woman embarrassing herself on national TV. heh heh heh'
 

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Tory election planners fear Labour will back bid to axe First-Past-the-Post (FPTP) system next month, that could lock the Tories out of power for a generation Tories claim the move would cause a coalition of chaos