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But some people don't think about it, and are caught up in believing the Tory bluster.
Don't you mean 'lots of' people' ...but its the heart of the Tory manifesto, writ large... they frighten(well really intend to threaten) people with history of the 'work house life', or more likely hammer home the concept of the 'idle poor'... rather than owning the reality of austerity and the emergence of the 'working poor', zero-hours contract slaves', etc., mostly on the Tory's watch!

Starmer, must not let them get away with this and if this is a slip of the tongue from the Tories, he must hammer away at them, otherwise come the GE, it could come back to haunt him, especially if all the predictions on inflation, energy costs, etc. comes true. If there has been no real heavy-weight challenge by Labour, on this, then now this has been raised by the Tories, they will follow up with " look we could do more for the working poor, if we didn't have to keep funding those who 'choose not to work'... because that is exactly the text/headline/ phrase the right wing press will be using, when some vacancies, in theory, still exist!
 

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October 2021: MPs vote to allow water companies to dump raw sewage into rivers and seas

Summer 2022:



Is there a significant public outcry about this?
 

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We really are a pathetic nation to allow our government to do all this to us.

Attacks on rights, limiting the power of the judiciary, dumping literal shit everywhere...
 

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I see the she devil has signed a binding contract with Pakistan to "send back/take back" their dual national trash. Now to start issuing fake parking tickets in order to remove their British passports and hey presto they're gone. We're gone.
 

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I see the she devil has signed a binding contract with Pakistan to "send back/take back" their dual national trash. Now to start issuing fake parking tickets in order to remove their British passports and hey presto they're gone. We're gone.
They're gonna wait until we are dragged out of the ECHR, then mass deportations. I wonder how they're gonna deal with the 2nd generationers
 

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They're gonna wait until we are dragged out of the ECHR, then mass deportations. I wonder how they're gonna deal with the 2nd generationers
2nd generations, and 3rd, still have dual nationalities. My kids are all born here but I've got them both. Makes it easier to travel on holidays, etc. The only way is to revoke dual nationality.
 

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2nd generations, and 3rd, still have dual nationalities. My kids are all born here but I've got them both. Makes it easier to travel on holidays, etc. The only way is to revoke dual nationality.
When people came over here in the 60's from India, they had to revoke their Indian nationality, so my parents, I and my children only have British nationality. What are they going to do with people like us?
 

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If I had to give up my dual nationality and only identify as British, I'd genuinely leave with no hesitation.

Being British? Sickening.
 

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When people came over here in the 60's from India, they had to revoke their Indian nationality, so my parents, I and my children only have British nationality. What are they going to do with people like us?
You're fine. You would become citizenless therefore they can't touch you (for now).
 

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If I had to give up my dual nationality and only identify as British, I'd genuinely leave with no hesitation.

Being British? Sickening.
If the next (likely Labour) government don't repeal this law (and I have very low hopes) then the time will finally have come to start thinking about selling up and moving to Canada or New Zealand in the next decade.

I can't afford to have the British government snatch my only property if me and my family are no longer British even though we've been here all our lives. This is a very targeted move being made here and it will likely be a joint party one, not just Tory. Us brown folk get the message.
 

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If the next (likely Labour) government don't repeal this law (and I have very low hopes) then the time will finally have come to start thinking about selling up and moving to Canada or New Zealand in the next decade.

I can't afford to have the British government snatch my only property if me and my family are no longer British even though we've been here all our lives. This is a very targeted move being made here and it will likely be a joint party one, not just Tory. Us brown folk get the message.
It sounds like a similar story to the Windrush generation, and a lot of the victims have died or been deported with no remedy for the callousness shown by the Government.
Hopefully that doesn't happen with the Pakistani nationals either, but this country likes to use foreign labor then discard it whenever if it serves political points to do so.
 

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Didn't they try and send that ISIS bride to Bangladesh even though she only had sole British citizenship?
Yes it is actually worse than has been reported.

The Government's position is that if an individual could be the citizen of another country, then they can be deported to that country.

So Shamima Begum only held British citizenship, but because she was under 21 she could - theoretically - have given up British citizenship and applied for and got Bangladeshi citizenship as her father was Bangladeshi.

So a lot depends on the luck of the draw. If a country allows second or third generation migrants to be able to claim ancestral based citizenship (as Ireland does for example), then the UK Government will happily deport you to a country that you (and maybe your parents) have never even visited.

Of course, if you happen to have parents and grandparents who are British citizens, like Wayne Couzens did, then whatever you do, no matter how heinous, you cannot be removed from this country.
 

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Don't you mean 'lots of' people' ...but its the heart of the Tory manifesto, writ large... they frighten(well really intend to threaten) people with history of the 'work house life', or more likely hammer home the concept of the 'idle poor'... rather than owning the reality of austerity and the emergence of the 'working poor', zero-hours contract slaves', etc., mostly on the Tory's watch!

Starmer, must not let them get away with this and if this is a slip of the tongue from the Tories, he must hammer away at them, otherwise come the GE, it could come back to haunt him, especially if all the predictions on inflation, energy costs, etc. comes true. If there has been no real heavy-weight challenge by Labour, on this, then now this has been raised by the Tories, they will follow up with " look we could do more for the working poor, if we didn't have to keep funding those who 'choose not to work'... because that is exactly the text/headline/ phrase the right wing press will be using, when some vacancies, in theory, still exist!
I imagine Labour, under any leader, would wait until the new Tory leader / PM is (undemocratically) elected before rebuking talking points.

However, the problem has been that New Lavlbour when in government and this new Starmer Labour do not fight against the narrative of "lazy benefit cheats taking all of our tax paying money".

Even when we receive the pie chart breakdown of where our tax money goes, the Tories lump in pensions under welfare so everyone gets annoyed that 35% of tax money goes on welfare. When nearly half of that is on pensions.

Nb. I don't begrudge paying pensions just dislike the pack of transparency and manipulation.
 

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I think the nationalisation of water utilities is probably an inevitability now. Mostly excuse they’ve been saddled with £50bn in debt while they’ve neglected the infrastructure and it’s the classic “privatise profits, socialise debt” mantra of these people.
 

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If the next (likely Labour) government don't repeal this law (and I have very low hopes) then the time will finally have come to start thinking about selling up and moving to Canada or New Zealand in the next decade.

I can't afford to have the British government snatch my only property if me and my family are no longer British even though we've been here all our lives. This is a very targeted move being made here and it will likely be a joint party one, not just Tory. Us brown folk get the message.
Just reading this makes me sick. I am a UK national by birth and I have never been more ashamed to be associated with being a Brit.
 

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“There is too much talk that there’s going to be a recession,” she said. “I don’t believe that’s inevitable. We can unleash opportunity here in Britain.”

- Liz Truss, Political Figure Impersonator
It IS inevitable. 0.6% shrink last quarter and we're not going to bounce back this quarter. Unless your proposed "opportunities" somehow come to life immediately off of the scrap piece of paper you've scribbled them on, and not be an unbridled failure like everything you've ever done, they're not going to change that in time to fix anything. You absolute fecking idiot.
 

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It IS inevitable. 0.6% shrink last quarter and we're not going to bounce back this quarter. Unless your proposed "opportunities" somehow come to life immediately off of the scrap piece of paper you've scribbled them on, and not be an unbridled failure like everything you've ever done, they're not going to change that in time to fix anything. You absolute fecking idiot.
Buck up your ideas, Mr negative. Youre probably a lefty snowflake. If you think positive you get all the economic benefits.

Yours,

Liz
 

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Not that the Tories give a flying feck, but...

Criminal barristers in England and Wales vote to go on all-out strike

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776
Suspect the solution will be to go ahead regardless and make people stand trial without legal aid?

Terrible solution of course but probably popular that we don't provide legal aid to criminals (and as they will probably all be found guilty without representation they will therefore be criminals )... I expect patel is creaming herself at the chance to bully some lefty lawyers