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Frosty

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Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango!
Fair point. It’s just these parties never last long and their goals are always short sighted. Both Change UK and The Brexit Party were more like fake parties funded by rich donors attempting to move the tories and labour through media appearances(Well imo mostly to attack the socialist leadership of Labour).

A left alternative party would be good but without the unions it wouldn’t work. It would become like the parties mentioned above but without the rich donors. Plus the mild social democratic policy platform of 2017 - 2019 is pretty outdated now considering the hellhole of the last few years.

The best case scenario imo would be Starmer Labour winning a insanely big majority but having no ability to solve the dog shit economy leading to a labour government going after the unions which would causa crisis/break in the party.
Also, I think Corbyn has probably had enough of leading a party. He probably thinks he can do more as an independent MP. This story may have been planted by Starmer's allies tbh, as a way of pivoting minds and the story towards how he is the antithesis of Corbyn.
 

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Also, I think Corbyn has probably had enough of leading a party. He probably thinks he can do more as an independent MP. This story may have been planted by Starmer's allies tbh, as a way of pivoting minds and the story towards how he is the antithesis of Corbyn.
I can’t imagine he would want to repeat the leadership years. I’m sure he recently did a joke Christmas with some lads in Irish balaclava. He’s living his best live now.

Yep your probably right about who’s planted the story. It’s genuinely going to be strange watching Starmer on the campaign trail in the next election.
 

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I can’t imagine he would want to repeat the leadership years. I’m sure he recently did a joke Christmas with some lads in Irish balaclava. He’s living his best live now.

Yep your probably right about who’s planted the story. It’s genuinely going to be strange watching Starmer on the campaign trail in the next election.
We should play a drinking game. Take a shot every time Starmer makes a policy announcement. Everyone would go through the year completely sober.
 

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We should play a drinking game. Take a shot every time Starmer makes a policy announcement. Everyone would go through the year completely sober.
Read the damn website. He has TOO MANY policies that are taking aim at TOO MUCH. There’s pages of the stuff.

It’s utterly mad for politically engaged people to suggest that Labour under Starmer don’t have any policies. No oppositional party has ever had more. The entire country is fecked and they have policies to address every single area.

I’m not suggesting they’re all brilliant, but they’re covered, costed, outlined and detailed.
 

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We should play a drinking game. Take a shot every time Starmer makes a policy announcement. Everyone would go through the year completely sober.
:lol:
Read the damn website.


It’s utterly mad for politically engaged people to suggest that Labour under Starmer don’t have any policies. No oppositional party has ever had more. The entire country is fecked and they have policies to address every single area.

I’m not suggesting they’re all brilliant, but they’re covered, costed, outlined and detailed.
I remember the Starmer bit where he had all these left wing pledges and then backtrack on all of them after getting power.
 

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I remember the Starmer bit where he had all these left wing pledges and then backtrack on all of them after getting power.
Whats that Starmer has been elected PM?

Missed that, my goodness I must had one too many over Christmas!
:lol:
 

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I find that incredible, considering the suffering.
People need a reason to go out and vote. If no one is offering anything materially different to the status quo then your only motivation to vote is to demonstrate your displeasure with the current incumbents. That's not going to be enough to get the apathetic to polling stations.
 

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Unless JC starts a party or teams up with the greens...only then will I vote
 

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Purely hypothetical scenario:

Labour: 41%(% of seats, 51 for a majority)
Corbyn FC: 10%
Tories 10%

(Greens and Lib Dems make 9% combined)

What does Starmer do?
 

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Purely hypothetical scenario:

Labour: 41%(% of seats, 51 for a majority)
Corbyn FC: 10%
Tories 10%

(Greens and Lib Dems make 9% combined)

What does Starmer do?
Probably try to work some of the 30% of MPs not affiliated to form a majority?

If it came down to him doing a deal with some theoretical left-wing party (Corbyn led or otherwise) or a rump Tory party, then he'd definatley be doing deals with the Tory remnants. Far closer to his and Reeves vision of Britian than those equality marxists.
 

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Purely hypothetical scenario:

Labour: 41%(% of seats, 51 for a majority)
Corbyn FC: 10%
Tories 10%

(Greens and Lib Dems make 9% combined)

What does Starmer do?
Lab/Lib/Green/SNP coalition.
 

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Lab/Lib/Green/SNP coalition.
Yeah point of the question was to see whether he’d choose a left or right coalition. For what it’s worth, a coalition like that would last about 6 weeks when the SNP demand indyref 2
 

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Unless JC starts a party or teams up with the greens...only then will I vote
I don't post much now, but feck yeah! JC all the way. Me and about over a million Muslim voters will be putting an X for him at the polls. I'm sure there will be millions of non-Muslims too.
 

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This cretin still thinks it’s all about the boats :houllier: :houllier:
He's 'my' MP, can't wait to start campaigning and get him booted out!

He continually goes on about, how when he goes door-to-door (clearly keeps missing me), all he gets back is shit about the boats - it really isn't! It's all about GPs / A&E waits, dentistry, cost-of-living. Boats are far off in the distance!

To be fair though I'm happy for them to keep thinking this, it'll ensure they get wiped out for misjudging the public, based on what Murdoch etc want to push.
 

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This cretin still thinks it’s all about the boats :houllier: :houllier:
They are obsessed with the boats issue.
Even if they can somehow get the Rwanda policy working, I doubt it will have more than a second order effect.

But I don't believe that it is going to be easy for Labour and don't believe the polls.
It is going to be a very dirty campaign by the Tories and their media mates.
 

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They are obsessed with the boats issue.
Even if they can somehow get the Rwanda policy working, I doubt it will have more than a second order effect.

But I don't believe that it is going to be easy for Labour and don't believe the polls.
It is going to be a very dirty campaign by the Tories and their media mates.
Because its the only 'policy' the can cling onto as a soundbite going into the election.

Before it was 'Get Brexit Done' - well its done now, and its been an unmitigated disaster.

Party of the economy and responsible spending? Not after Liz Truss did a speedrun of tanking the economy, and the fact our growth forecast has been amongst the weakest of developed nations. And I haven't even gone into the cronyism culture under the tories, rewarding donors with fraudulent government contracts, etc.

Party of law and order? Crime has gone up, and policing has faced crippling cuts.

Rwanda? Turns out they have no legal basis, and this is after wasting millions on the initiative.

The only thing they have left is propagating this culture war nonsense and 'small boats', hoping that's enough to galvanise their base as a desperate hail Mary. They're also dangling some tax cut proposals lately (which will likely be funded by more cuts) and hope their mates in the media will do a hatchet job on Starmer, but unfortunately Starmer is enough of a Tory-lite acolyte for them to get on board with him.

They're very much at the end game and they know it, hence the rush of Tory MPs who've decided to cowardly bow out at the end of this parliamentary cycle.
 

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They are obsessed with the boats issue.
Even if they can somehow get the Rwanda policy working, I doubt it will have more than a second order effect.

But I don't believe that it is going to be easy for Labour and don't believe the polls.
It is going to be a very dirty campaign by the Tories and their media mates.
They have nothing else to run on. The Tories are facing an ideological crisis.
 

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I find that incredible, considering the suffering.
Who do you vote for?

Looks like the Labour campaign is again going to be 'we're not the Tories', only instead of Corbyn's batshit policies its going to be no policies at all.

I know loads of people who have said they will abstain.
 

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Who do you vote for?

Looks like the Labour campaign is again going to be 'we're not the Tories', only instead of Corbyn's batshit policies its going to be no policies at all.

I know loads of people who have said they will abstain.
I think the Tories will score an own goal there. Yes they'll be many inclined to abstain, including myself, however chances are the Tories will run a vile campaign that sees people vote against them.

Lib Dems might gain some seats but realistically the places they can compete is limited.