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SalfordRed18

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Sunak clinging onto power is going to leave an extremely sour taste in the public's mouth. He was better off calling a may election and leaving with what shred of dignity he had left, now he just looks even more pathetic.
 

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Given Bentongate is likely to end up with a by election and now this, Sunak might not have any MPs left by May.

 

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Given Bentongate is likely to end up with a by election and now this, Sunak might not have any MPs left by May.

My MP, I think the seat is being scrapped anyway and I get to vote against Rees Mogg next time
 

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Just listened to the Sunak interview on BBC.
His clear tactic is to not listen to the question and keep on with his mantra:
Stick to the plan.
The plan is working.

Well I have news for you Rishi.
The plan is not working and I doubt that many think it is.
 

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Sunak planning ‘more tax cuts’ by curbing benefits and public spending.

Makes complete sense, I mean our lavish public sector spending has created system that are the envy of the world!

- A health system at the absolute peak of its powers
- Schools that are not only structurally sound (why would I even say that, it’s a given, right?) but are hotbeds for development, personalised education that removes old Victorian practices and gets kids ready for ALL that 21st century life has in store!
- A police force that, due to its systemic neutrality, is able to, with both empathy and efficiency, report to cases, investigate and solve them in record time.
- A CPS that, likewise, takes no time at all in bringing offenders to justice, making sure the time that victims spend locked in the cycle of grief is as short as humanly possible
- A prison system that can house these offenders in safe accommodation, with enough mental health and rehabilitative resources to build up their chances of success on release and reduce re-offence to a negligible level
- A border force that can, likewise, House asylum seekers safely and, without fear of persecution, process claims in an efficient, humane way and help people build new lives for themselves.
- A benefits system that gives people the resources and help that they need in order to put their lives back on track. No threats needed, no spying on bank transactions, just targeted, bespoke help to those that are under hard times.
- Disability benefits that treat those in need as humans, with a positive outlook on their lives, that acknowledges that they have contributions to make that are worth far more than pounds and pennies

I say it’s about bloody time we started cutting back on all that frivolity!!!

…am I doing ‘Tory’ right???
 

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Sunak planning ‘more tax cuts’ by curbing benefits and public spending.

Makes complete sense, I mean our lavish public sector spending has created system that are the envy of the world!

- A health system at the absolute peak of its powers
- Schools that are not only structurally sound (why would I even say that, it’s a given, right?) but are hotbeds for development, personalised education that removes old Victorian practices and gets kids ready for ALL that 21st century life has in store!
- A police force that, due to its systemic neutrality, is able to, with both empathy and efficiency, report to cases, investigate and solve them in record time.
- A CPS that, likewise, takes no time at all in bringing offenders to justice, making sure the time that victims spend locked in the cycle of grief is as short as humanly possible
- A prison system that can house these offenders in safe accommodation, with enough mental health and rehabilitative resources to build up their chances of success on release and reduce re-offence to a negligible level
- A border force that can, likewise, House asylum seekers safely and, without fear of persecution, process claims in an efficient, humane way and help people build new lives for themselves.
- A benefits system that gives people the resources and help that they need in order to put their lives back on track. No threats needed, no spying on bank transactions, just targeted, bespoke help to those that are under hard times.
- Disability benefits that treat those in need as humans, with a positive outlook on their lives, that acknowledges that they have contributions to make that are worth far more than pounds and pennies

I say it’s about bloody time we started cutting back on all that frivolity!!!

…am I doing ‘Tory’ right???
You missed the bit where you and your mates embezzle billions of pounds through cronyism, but otherwise spot on.
 

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Hope it's true, but it is GB News
Poor from Corbyn imo. Whatevers happened, he knows damn well he's not winning any election, this is literally to split the labour vote. Considering he's a man of morals, it's reeks of putting his own disdain for the current labour party that's "wronged" him over getting the Tories out.
 

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Poor from Corbyn imo. Whatevers happened, he knows damn well he's not winning any election, this is literally to split the labour vote. Considering he's a man of morals, it's reeks of putting his own disdain for the current labour party that's "wronged" him over getting the Tories out.
Or he believes that the current Labour Party does not represent Labour values. It took the Brexit party to get the Tories to pivot right because it was eating into its base. Could it take a Real Labour Party to get Labour to move more to the left.

I'm not saying it's a good idea but can see how some people would and that they wouldn't do it just to spite Starmer.
 

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Or he believes that the current Labour Party does not represent Labour values. It took the Brexit party to get the Tories to pivot right because it was eating into its base. Could it take a Real Labour Party to get Labour to move more to the left.

I'm not saying it's a good idea but can see how some people would and that they wouldn't do it just to spite Starmer.
I hear that, but by the time Brexit party was formed the western world was already on its way to becoming more right wing, and think that pivot would have happened one way or another under Johnson regardless. Trump had been on office for atleast a year for example. And also, the Tories were already in power and had been so for years at that point. Getting a party in opposition that's genuinely winning to pivot to the left seems like a different situation to getting party already in government to pivot to the right.

And anywho, though he was running for mayor or something?
 

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Poor from Corbyn imo. Whatevers happened, he knows damn well he's not winning any election, this is literally to split the labour vote. Considering he's a man of morals, it's reeks of putting his own disdain for the current labour party that's "wronged" him over getting the Tories out.
I would like to see a party to the left of Labour personally, with a manifesto that gives people more choice of what to vote for. At the moment the far left are an irrelevance in British politics, constantly criticising whilst being incapable of offering an alternative themselves. The standard excuse for not doing is 'first past the post', which of course will never change unless people actually do something about it.
 

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Jeremy up to his old tricks then? Just when Labour has a chance to annihilate the Tory Party

Sunak reaction..... Every cloud has a silver lining

Starmer reaction......... Every silver lining has a cloud
 

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X plans to start a new party stories are never true.
There's been a few over the last decade to be fair, I still remember some in here giddy at Change UK. I'd love a Corbyn party to pick up a seat or two and then Starmer having to come begging to get anything through.

Ideally it's the greens in that situation so at least Starmer can't backtrack on his green pledges.
 

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There's been a few over the last decade to be fair, I still remember some in here giddy at Change UK. I'd love a Corbyn party to pick up a seat or two and then Starmer having to come begging to get anything through.

Ideally it's the greens in that situation so at least Starmer can't backtrack on his green pledges.
Fair point. It’s just these parties never last long and their goals are always short sighted. Both Change UK and The Brexit Party were more like fake parties funded by rich donors attempting to move the tories and labour through media appearances(Well imo mostly to attack the socialist leadership of Labour).

A left alternative party would be good but without the unions it wouldn’t work. It would become like the parties mentioned above but without the rich donors. Plus the mild social democratic policy platform of 2017 - 2019 is pretty outdated now considering the hellhole of the last few years.

The best case scenario imo would be Starmer Labour winning a insanely big majority but having no ability to solve the dog shit economy leading to a labour government going after the unions which would causa crisis/break in the party.
 

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Fair point. It’s just these parties never last long and their goals are always short sighted. Both Change UK and The Brexit Party were more like fake parties funded by rich donors attempting to move the tories and labour through media appearances(Well imo mostly to attack the socialist leadership of Labour).

A left alternative party would be good but without the unions it wouldn’t work. It would become like the parties mentioned above but without the rich donors. Plus the mild social democratic policy platform of 2017 - 2019 is pretty outdated now considering the hellhole of the last few years.

The best case scenario imo would be Starmer Labour winning a insanely big majority but having no ability to solve the dog shit economy leading to a labour government going after the unions which would causa crisis/break in the party.
Also, I think Corbyn has probably had enough of leading a party. He probably thinks he can do more as an independent MP. This story may have been planted by Starmer's allies tbh, as a way of pivoting minds and the story towards how he is the antithesis of Corbyn.
 

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Also, I think Corbyn has probably had enough of leading a party. He probably thinks he can do more as an independent MP. This story may have been planted by Starmer's allies tbh, as a way of pivoting minds and the story towards how he is the antithesis of Corbyn.
I can’t imagine he would want to repeat the leadership years. I’m sure he recently did a joke Christmas with some lads in Irish balaclava. He’s living his best live now.

Yep your probably right about who’s planted the story. It’s genuinely going to be strange watching Starmer on the campaign trail in the next election.
 

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I can’t imagine he would want to repeat the leadership years. I’m sure he recently did a joke Christmas with some lads in Irish balaclava. He’s living his best live now.

Yep your probably right about who’s planted the story. It’s genuinely going to be strange watching Starmer on the campaign trail in the next election.
We should play a drinking game. Take a shot every time Starmer makes a policy announcement. Everyone would go through the year completely sober.
 

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We should play a drinking game. Take a shot every time Starmer makes a policy announcement. Everyone would go through the year completely sober.
Read the damn website. He has TOO MANY policies that are taking aim at TOO MUCH. There’s pages of the stuff.

It’s utterly mad for politically engaged people to suggest that Labour under Starmer don’t have any policies. No oppositional party has ever had more. The entire country is fecked and they have policies to address every single area.

I’m not suggesting they’re all brilliant, but they’re covered, costed, outlined and detailed.
 

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We should play a drinking game. Take a shot every time Starmer makes a policy announcement. Everyone would go through the year completely sober.
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Read the damn website.


It’s utterly mad for politically engaged people to suggest that Labour under Starmer don’t have any policies. No oppositional party has ever had more. The entire country is fecked and they have policies to address every single area.

I’m not suggesting they’re all brilliant, but they’re covered, costed, outlined and detailed.
I remember the Starmer bit where he had all these left wing pledges and then backtrack on all of them after getting power.
 

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I remember the Starmer bit where he had all these left wing pledges and then backtrack on all of them after getting power.
Whats that Starmer has been elected PM?

Missed that, my goodness I must had one too many over Christmas!
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