Westminster Politics

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

"Ooops" sorry, hope you keep on being pleased.

Lots of people I know with EV's who are far from satisfied, they keep finding faults, the 'power drain' when every thing is switched on, especially in bad weather, which leads also to 'destination anxiety' and for some I am told, costs are more, but good luck... "if the cap fits wear it..." as they say up here

I think the problem is people see EV vs Conventional as an either/or.

People will happily fill out a calculator that determines if a company car is a benefit, but not do the same for their domestic use car.

For huge swathes of people that are based in the right areas, drive certain distances and frequencies, and can(or will) charge in a manner that ICE car owners don’t need to worry about… Electric cars are so much cheaper, range is irrelevant and it’s nothing but upside.

For people on the other side of that divide, it’s always ‘EV’s are shit’.

It’s never been binary. I had an EV when it suited. Then a small diesel when it didn’t. And now no car because I don’t need one. I’d never say ‘my next car will be X’ right now. It would be daft to do so. The next car will be based on my life circumstances.

I worked in NZ and owned a Ute. I’ve not transplanted that mindset to London as it’s a different life.

 

[TheGame]

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[Dr. StrangeHate]

I have been making plans to leave this country for a while. I mean I spend nearly half the year outside this country. This country is hostile to immigrants.
13 years ago while I was in uni, Theresa May made us queue up like outcasts to sign some silly attendance just because we were foreign students. We even paid thousands of pounds for the humiliation.
I thought it couldn’t get worse than that. I tell all my Nigerian friends who want to pay a fortune to study in the UK, “don’t even think about it. Go to a friendlier country”. Not one that will take your money and treat you like shit.
The sad part is immigration in not even a real issue. It’s perceived. I am a citizen now but don’t even feel like one.

I have spent around £20k for visa, nationalization applications, health surcharge, etc. for me and my wife over 10 years. It is ridiculous. I got to the end of so many job applications to be rejected because they didn't provide sponsorship. I urge all my friends to go to USA as well. Friends who went to USA have been so much better off; salary, life style and opportunities wise. Really messed up coming here.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

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The way I read the new rules was that the main visa holder needs to earn more than £38k, there are no restrictions to bring a spouse then. The spouse doesn't need to work but can work. Have I read it wrong?

 

[DavelinaJolie]

The way I read the new rules was that the main visa holder needs to earn more than £38k, there are no restrictions to bring a spouse then. The spouse doesn't need to work but can work. Have I read it wrong?

It's not a great look is it? Yeah our country desperately needs your social care/healthcare labour, but you can't bring your family and have them benefit from living in the country you bring your much needed labour to.

 

[Adisa]

I will not be voting at the next GE.
https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/1731773018433560669?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg

 

[Adisa]

I have spent around £20k for visa, nationalization applications, health surcharge, etc. for me and my wife over 10 years. It is ridiculous. I got to the end of so many job applications to be rejected because they didn't provide sponsorship. I urge all my friends to go to USA as well. Friends who went to USA have been so much better off; salary, life style and opportunities wise. Really messed up coming here.

After my masters, I was within a week of being sent back to Nigeria when I got an employer willing to sponsor my visa. That remains the most difficult point of my life. I was about to give up…I mean, I had already given up and bought my plane ticket.
What was even funny, I was over qualified for a lot of roles I ended up getting rejected for.
Employers would see my CV and virtually beg for me to join. Once they found out they needed to sponsor, I would not hear from them again.
I tell everyone not to bother with the UK. It’s a dead end.
Virtually all my secondary school classmates ended up in UK, US and Canada. On average the one who went to the other two countries are better off.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

I will not be voting at the next GE.
https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/1731773018433560669?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg

Just vote green instead.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Yeah, and anybody who meets somebody abroad and who wants to bring them over to continue the relationship now need to earn £38,700. So basically if you're young and met somebody you've got no chance.

@horsechoker no more Thai brides mate.

 

[DM07]

As someone who is married and thinking about doing a masters from UK, this is probably the end of that thought. A year ago you could bring your spouse as a dependent and had two years of a graduate visa to get work experience and then could get a sponsorship with a minimum salary of 26500. Now you can’t bring your dependent, the two year graduate visa will be reviewed, and the minimum salary threshold is 38500. They have made UK an unattractive destination for all foreign students.

 

[Jippy]

As someone who is married and thinking about doing a masters from UK, this is probably the end of that thought. A year ago you could bring your spouse as a dependent and had two years of a graduate visa to get work experience and then could get a sponsorship with a minimum salary of 26500. Now you can’t bring your dependent, the two year graduate visa will be reviewed, and the minimum salary threshold is 38500. They have made UK an unattractive destination for all foreign students.

I'm sure it will put off some. When I did my masters, about half of the students on our course were foreign and none of them had partners with them. I didn't realise it's such a thing tbh.

Feck knows how they're going to attract care workers, nurses and the like with that minimum threshold though.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I'm sure it will put off some. When I did my masters, about half of the students on our course were foreign and none of them had partners with them. I didn't realise it's such a thing tbh.

Feck knows how they're going to attract care workers, nurses and the like with that minimum threshold though.

I think the £38K limit doesn't apply to NHS and care workers as there is a terminal decline in local NHS and care workers.

 

[Jippy]

I think the £38K limit doesn't apply to NHS and care workers as there is a terminal decline in local NHS and care workers.

Ah, ok, still expecting people to come here and do shitty care jobs without being able to bring their immediate family over will surely put off loads.

 

[Pexbo]

I will not be voting at the next GE.
https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/1731773018433560669?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg

Policy isn’t important. What’s important is that Starmer is Prime Minister next at any cost.

If Starmer leads a government that is far further to the right than Cameron’s government was 10 years ago that’s a good thing as long as the current Tories aren’t up to their corruption anymore.

Or something

 

[TwoSheds]

I will not be voting at the next GE.
https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/1731773018433560669?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg

You should always vote. Vote Green. Political parties get money based on number of votes at national elections so your vote always counts for something.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Policy isn’t important. What’s important is that Starmer is Prime Minister next at any cost.

If Starmer leads a government that is far further to the right than Cameron’s government was 10 years ago that’s a good thing as long as the current Tories aren’t up to their corruption anymore.

Or something

Likewise if we have nothing other than a great Socialist revolution (which I'd be all for!) then we might as well stick with the corrupt Tories.

See, works both ways.

 

[Walrus]

I will not be voting at the next GE.
https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/1731773018433560669?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg

That'll show 'em.

 

[cafecillos]

What a fecking disgrace Labour are, no self respect to even explicitly oppose openly neo-fascist measures like this.

It may be that I'm becoming more of a far-left extremist with age though.

 

[Adisa]

That'll show 'em.

I’m not trying to show anyone. I’m an immigrant to this country and if Labour can’t oppose measures like this, I have no business voting for them.

 

[Sweet Square]

If your on the left the only reason to vote would be if the conservatives are facing a huge collapse. It’s then probably worth the 10 minute walk to the polling station if it turns the tories into a single seat party.

But otherwise Starmer Labour is further to the right than David Cameron. So yeah I’ll be staying home playing MGSV on Election Day instead.

 

[Kinsella]

I have been making plans to leave this country for a while. I mean I spend nearly half the year outside this country. This country is hostile to immigrants.
13 years ago while I was in uni, Theresa May made us queue up like outcasts to sign some silly attendance just because we were foreign students. We even paid thousands of pounds for the humiliation.
I thought it couldn’t get worse than that. I tell all my Nigerian friends who want to pay a fortune to study in the UK, “don’t even think about it. Go to a friendlier country”. Not one that will take your money and treat you like shit.
The sad part is immigration in not even a real issue. It’s perceived. I am a citizen now but don’t even feel like one.

I’m not British but I’m sorry for what for you’re experiencing. It’s not nice to read.

On the highlighted part the only thing I’d say is that perception is reality for a lot of people on particular issues, and immigration is one of those issues.

 

[Berbasbullet]

If your on the left the only reason to vote would be if the conservatives are facing a huge collapse. It’s then probably worth the 10 minute walk to the polling station if it turns the tories into a single seat party.

But otherwise Starmer Labour is further to the right than David Cameron. So yeah I’ll be staying home playing MGSV on Election Day instead.

MgsV, did you quantum leap here from 2015?

 

[Shez]

Yikes - was traveling and just read up. Boy is the decision to move to the UK a couple of years ago looking more and more stupid every day

 

[Sweet Square]

MgsV, did you quantum leap here from 2015?

Its only the game I’ve put enough hours into to be somewhat good. I tried Lies Of P recently and it was someone smashed me over the head with a PS5. I was embarrassingly awful.

 

[Semper Fudge]

Its only the game I’ve put enough hours into to be somewhat good. I tried Lies Of Lies recently and it was someone smashed me over the head with a PS5. I was embarrassingly awful.

Personally I prefer P of P.

 

[Sweet Square]

Personally I prefer P of P.

Whoops!

 

[RedSky]

I’m not trying to show anyone. I’m an immigrant to this country and if Labour can’t oppose measures like this, I have no business voting for them.

Then don't vote either? I'll be voting Green as my local Green candidate actually seems to give a crap.

 

[TwoSheds]

If your on the left the only reason to vote would be if the conservatives are facing a huge collapse. It’s then probably worth the 10 minute walk to the polling station if it turns the tories into a single seat party.

But otherwise Starmer Labour is further to the right than David Cameron. So yeah I’ll be staying home playing MGSV on Election Day instead.

Voting is always worthwhile. Vote for a party that isn't Labour or the Conservatives. It's the only effective way to push policies closer to the way you want them. Staying home is exactly what they want you to do so they can maintain the 2 party state.

 

[Mart1974]

Policy isn’t important. What’s important is that Starmer is Prime Minister next at any cost.

If Starmer leads a government that is far further to the right than Cameron’s government was 10 years ago that’s a good thing as long as the current Tories aren’t up to their corruption anymore.

Or something

Sure I watched the shadow home secretary tear the plan to shreds in the commons and in various media interviews. Labour's alternative plan is to tie migration to skills shortages with effective workforce planning.

There has to be some control on migration.

 

[Mart1974]

 

[Pexbo]

Sure I watched the shadow home secretary tear the plan to shreds in the commons and in various media interviews. Labour's alternative plan is to tie migration to skills shortages with effective workforce planning.

There has to be some control on migration.

There can be control on immigration without demonisation of immigrants.

 

[LARulz]

So the new £38k for spouse visa's will also apply for renewals. Are they fecking mental? This is actually disgusting

Are they genuinely going to break families apart if someone can't all of a sudden earn an extra £10k?

I honestly don't even know what to say

 

[Pexbo]

So the new £38k for spouse visa's will also apply for renewals. Are they fecking mental? This is actually disgusting

Are they genuinely going to break families apart if someone can't all of a sudden earn an extra £10k?

I honestly don't even know what to say

I don’t think they expect it to really happen on their watch. They’re going to call an election next year and they want this policy in place for that. If they lose the election it gives Labour a massive headache because if they reverse the scheme and immigration stays high then it’s labours fault. If it lowers immigration they will point to it as their victory not labours however what it will also do is absolutely pile the pressure on the NHS and the economy which will be a massive headache for Labour.

 

[SilentWitness]

I'm not really sure they've thought this through. There are so many research and academic positions in sectors they apparently care more about than others but they don't get anywhere near the 38k threshold.

EDIT: Unless it's a ploy as @Pexbo states above.

 

[LARulz]

I don’t think they expect it to really happen on their watch. They’re going to call an election next year and they want this policy in place for that. If they lose the election it gives Labour a massive headache because if they reverse the scheme and immigration stays high then it’s labours fault. If it lowers immigration they will point to it as their victory not labours however what it will also do is absolutely pile the pressure on the NHS and the economy which will be a massive headache for Labour.

You'd hope but I don't think so. This is meant to come into place at Spring, and realistically the earliest election will be May but most likely it will be in September (and that's what media is planning for based on what's been whispered). Only way it will happen earlier is if polls look better. Calling an election with this being a policy is a good move but risky when so far behind and contentious

The spouse visa thing could easily be amended to not impact British citizens looking to bring partners for example, or even just raising the threshold to 25k, not 38k

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Sure I watched the shadow home secretary tear the plan to shreds in the commons and in various media interviews. Labour's alternative plan is to tie migration to skills shortages with effective workforce planning.

There has to be some control on migration.

Watched that video - she almost agreed with him. Not quite evisceration.
Seen in other Labour documents on their plans to train young people to be builders, bricklayers, electricians and plumbers to build houses etc and people to be nurses , doctors and careworkers. The problem has always been that people don't necessarily want to do those jobs, probably less so now. How many years will this take even if they could persuade (or force?) people to be trained to do these jobs.

So under Labour's plan who are going to be trained to do the more menial and low paid jobs that don't require any skills. Sounds like some 12 year old's fantasy homework project.

 

[Mart1974]

There can be control on immigration without demonisation of immigrants.

I don't think Cooper is demonising immigrants. I don't think Labour are demonising immigrants. They want a better system for managing immigration, for example they want to improve the asylum application process rather than shipping people to Rwanda.

Labour have to be careful in their language because the RW press will take any gentle language as a sign of weakness and attack and unfortunately the average British voter is a simple, trusting soul.

I have contacts in the local Labour Party. We have a predicted 8 or 9k majority but the biggest challenge we face on swing or Tory voters moving to a Labour vote is the perception that Starmer failed to prosecute Saville. Perceptions matter.

 

[Mart1974]

Watched that video - she almost agreed with him. Not quite evisceration.
Seen in other Labour documents on their plans to train young people to be builders, bricklayers, electricians and plumbers to build houses etc and people to be nurses , doctors and careworkers. The problem has always been that people don't necessarily want to do those jobs, probably less so now. How many years will this take even if they could persuade (or force?) people to be trained to do these jobs.

So under Labour's plan who are going to be trained to do the more menial and low paid jobs that don't require any skills. Sounds like some 12 year old's fantasy homework project.

We should train people to be bricklayers and joiners etc and whilst we do that, we should have managed immigration to fill the need now.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

We should train people to be bricklayers and joiners etc and whilst we do that, we should have managed immigration to fill the need now.

But this is not something new, it's been the same for decades - what if people don't want to be bricklayers and joiners. Who does all the low paid jobs like cleaners and fruit-pickers and factory workers. and waiters etc etc etc?

The new system since Brexit which means the Uk only want immigrants to fill gaps and then go away again is atrocious and has led to much more short-term immigration and much more of it.

 

[Eplel]

what if people don't want to be bricklayers and joiners. Who does all the low paid jobs like cleaners and fruit-pickers and factory workers. and waiters etc etc etc?

The answer is simple, since demand in jobs is always elastic, but those who have control (employers) are ideologically against doing what's right. Pay more for these positions, and improve working conditions.
Can#t speak for the first 3, but my best friend is a chef in a high-end restaurant and waiters and kitchen staff are really mistreated and low paid, and it's an industry wide phenomenon.