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If there are less number of foreign students, does it mean the UK students get to join those courses? If that’s the case, wouldn’t this be a net positive for UK in the long term in terms of having a more educated population?
I sense I’m missing something here, can someone please explain what that is..
Tuition fees for home students are too low. Universities make a loss on every undergraduate home students they take.
 

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If there are less number of foreign students, does it mean the UK students get to join those courses? If that’s the case, wouldn’t this be a net positive for UK in the long term in terms of having a more educated population?
I sense I’m missing something here, can someone please explain what that is..
Presumably, most of the UK candidates that can enter and want to do the courses are already doing the courses. Even if universities lower entry standards, there probably are not that many more UK students they can recruit.

Plus, UK students cannot really replace the revenue from international students, who pay much higher fees.
 
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I'd say the first. Generally speaking immigration benefits the economy and the corporate class - more possible workers mean less pressure for higher wages and so on.
The first. They recognise that fear plays on peoples emotions and decisions more strongly than hope. Therefore they aim to gain support from those in areas of poverty by aiming to convince them that immigrants will take what little employment opportunity they have. The upper class don’t typically vote conservative on immigration policy. It’s usually more financial.
Study after study has shown immigrants are a net positive to the UK. It’s undeniable at the point.
The other things, education is one of UK’s biggest exports. Sunak has just decimated the industry.
I know they obviously use it as a means to subvert the population away from the real issues and failings in the country, but there’s usually a private economic angle that their backers and donors are pushing for. That’s what brexit was after all. Interesting if there isn’t.
 

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I know they obviously use it as a means to subvert the population away from the real issues and failings in the country, but there’s usually a private economic angle that their backers and donors are pushing for. That’s what brexit was after all. Interesting if there isn’t.
It is a way to win elections. There's no coincidence I think that this Government has railed against immigration for over 13 years whilst overseeing record amounts of immigration.
 

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Immigration and by that I mean settlement (not just conquest) into mainland Britain has been going on for centuries. You could make a case that from 1066 onward that conquest was not an issue, since the Normans settled in Britain, and in effect took over most of it. Although not all immigration was always legal, or indeed welcomed at the time, it did nevertheless have some natural self-controlling features and/or was of such a scale that allowed over time immigrants to establish themselves and prosper, and the population benefit from the skills and expertise of the newcomers.

The economic influences overall have been beneficial and really started in the last two centuries in a massive way with Irish immigration, this influx of people helped to build much of the roadways, canals and railways in mainland Britain from the late eighteenth/nineteenth century well into the early twentieth century. In the 1950's there were people from the West Indies, arriving to help plug the gaps left after WW2 losses, these are referred to now as the Windrush Generation. They were followed by many of East Asian descent, who had been driven out of Kenya and who brought business and commercial expertise with them.

Overall and over time there has been a constant stream of immigration as well emigration to and from Britain that has allowed the country to flourish, in particular when preparations can be made and some-managed control can be exercised, which aids ongoing assimilation.

Latterly, and it could be argued initially through the 'free movement' aspect of being in the EU people have arrived, in many cases unexpectedly, and in such numbers both from inside and outside Europe that the 'disturbance' this causes in many local communities, because it was poorly estimated and then badly mismanaged, that immigration has become a highly politicised issue, that defies basic common sense/logic. In part this is because the criminal element of the 'small boats' issue, regardless of whether asylum seeking people or those just wanting a better life, has been used to inflame passions and became one of the PM's promise to stop,;because the process is illegal.

Sunak recognises that this has some resonance with a great many people regardless of their politics and it is what the Tories are now counting on to 'batten-down the hatches' in their own party (and shut out Reform) and maybe able to pressure enough of the returning red wall voters to think twice in the GE. It won't overcome the genuine desire for change within the vast majority British public, or stop Labour gaining office, but it could take the shine of a Labour majority.

In any case the country will not take a proper and serious look at the implications for the future of having a planned and robust policy and resource commitment to immigration, until the small boat thing is sorted.
 
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Sunak clinging onto power is going to leave an extremely sour taste in the public's mouth. He was better off calling a may election and leaving with what shred of dignity he had left, now he just looks even more pathetic.
 

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Given Bentongate is likely to end up with a by election and now this, Sunak might not have any MPs left by May.

 

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Given Bentongate is likely to end up with a by election and now this, Sunak might not have any MPs left by May.

My MP, I think the seat is being scrapped anyway and I get to vote against Rees Mogg next time
 

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Just listened to the Sunak interview on BBC.
His clear tactic is to not listen to the question and keep on with his mantra:
Stick to the plan.
The plan is working.

Well I have news for you Rishi.
The plan is not working and I doubt that many think it is.
 

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Sunak planning ‘more tax cuts’ by curbing benefits and public spending.

Makes complete sense, I mean our lavish public sector spending has created system that are the envy of the world!

- A health system at the absolute peak of its powers
- Schools that are not only structurally sound (why would I even say that, it’s a given, right?) but are hotbeds for development, personalised education that removes old Victorian practices and gets kids ready for ALL that 21st century life has in store!
- A police force that, due to its systemic neutrality, is able to, with both empathy and efficiency, report to cases, investigate and solve them in record time.
- A CPS that, likewise, takes no time at all in bringing offenders to justice, making sure the time that victims spend locked in the cycle of grief is as short as humanly possible
- A prison system that can house these offenders in safe accommodation, with enough mental health and rehabilitative resources to build up their chances of success on release and reduce re-offence to a negligible level
- A border force that can, likewise, House asylum seekers safely and, without fear of persecution, process claims in an efficient, humane way and help people build new lives for themselves.
- A benefits system that gives people the resources and help that they need in order to put their lives back on track. No threats needed, no spying on bank transactions, just targeted, bespoke help to those that are under hard times.
- Disability benefits that treat those in need as humans, with a positive outlook on their lives, that acknowledges that they have contributions to make that are worth far more than pounds and pennies

I say it’s about bloody time we started cutting back on all that frivolity!!!

…am I doing ‘Tory’ right???
 

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Sunak planning ‘more tax cuts’ by curbing benefits and public spending.

Makes complete sense, I mean our lavish public sector spending has created system that are the envy of the world!

- A health system at the absolute peak of its powers
- Schools that are not only structurally sound (why would I even say that, it’s a given, right?) but are hotbeds for development, personalised education that removes old Victorian practices and gets kids ready for ALL that 21st century life has in store!
- A police force that, due to its systemic neutrality, is able to, with both empathy and efficiency, report to cases, investigate and solve them in record time.
- A CPS that, likewise, takes no time at all in bringing offenders to justice, making sure the time that victims spend locked in the cycle of grief is as short as humanly possible
- A prison system that can house these offenders in safe accommodation, with enough mental health and rehabilitative resources to build up their chances of success on release and reduce re-offence to a negligible level
- A border force that can, likewise, House asylum seekers safely and, without fear of persecution, process claims in an efficient, humane way and help people build new lives for themselves.
- A benefits system that gives people the resources and help that they need in order to put their lives back on track. No threats needed, no spying on bank transactions, just targeted, bespoke help to those that are under hard times.
- Disability benefits that treat those in need as humans, with a positive outlook on their lives, that acknowledges that they have contributions to make that are worth far more than pounds and pennies

I say it’s about bloody time we started cutting back on all that frivolity!!!

…am I doing ‘Tory’ right???
You missed the bit where you and your mates embezzle billions of pounds through cronyism, but otherwise spot on.
 

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Poor from Corbyn imo. Whatevers happened, he knows damn well he's not winning any election, this is literally to split the labour vote. Considering he's a man of morals, it's reeks of putting his own disdain for the current labour party that's "wronged" him over getting the Tories out.
 

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Poor from Corbyn imo. Whatevers happened, he knows damn well he's not winning any election, this is literally to split the labour vote. Considering he's a man of morals, it's reeks of putting his own disdain for the current labour party that's "wronged" him over getting the Tories out.
Or he believes that the current Labour Party does not represent Labour values. It took the Brexit party to get the Tories to pivot right because it was eating into its base. Could it take a Real Labour Party to get Labour to move more to the left.

I'm not saying it's a good idea but can see how some people would and that they wouldn't do it just to spite Starmer.
 

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Or he believes that the current Labour Party does not represent Labour values. It took the Brexit party to get the Tories to pivot right because it was eating into its base. Could it take a Real Labour Party to get Labour to move more to the left.

I'm not saying it's a good idea but can see how some people would and that they wouldn't do it just to spite Starmer.
I hear that, but by the time Brexit party was formed the western world was already on its way to becoming more right wing, and think that pivot would have happened one way or another under Johnson regardless. Trump had been on office for atleast a year for example. And also, the Tories were already in power and had been so for years at that point. Getting a party in opposition that's genuinely winning to pivot to the left seems like a different situation to getting party already in government to pivot to the right.

And anywho, though he was running for mayor or something?
 

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Poor from Corbyn imo. Whatevers happened, he knows damn well he's not winning any election, this is literally to split the labour vote. Considering he's a man of morals, it's reeks of putting his own disdain for the current labour party that's "wronged" him over getting the Tories out.
I would like to see a party to the left of Labour personally, with a manifesto that gives people more choice of what to vote for. At the moment the far left are an irrelevance in British politics, constantly criticising whilst being incapable of offering an alternative themselves. The standard excuse for not doing is 'first past the post', which of course will never change unless people actually do something about it.
 

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Jeremy up to his old tricks then? Just when Labour has a chance to annihilate the Tory Party

Sunak reaction..... Every cloud has a silver lining

Starmer reaction......... Every silver lining has a cloud
 

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There's been a few over the last decade to be fair, I still remember some in here giddy at Change UK. I'd love a Corbyn party to pick up a seat or two and then Starmer having to come begging to get anything through.

Ideally it's the greens in that situation so at least Starmer can't backtrack on his green pledges.
 

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There's been a few over the last decade to be fair, I still remember some in here giddy at Change UK. I'd love a Corbyn party to pick up a seat or two and then Starmer having to come begging to get anything through.

Ideally it's the greens in that situation so at least Starmer can't backtrack on his green pledges.
Fair point. It’s just these parties never last long and their goals are always short sighted. Both Change UK and The Brexit Party were more like fake parties funded by rich donors attempting to move the tories and labour through media appearances(Well imo mostly to attack the socialist leadership of Labour).

A left alternative party would be good but without the unions it wouldn’t work. It would become like the parties mentioned above but without the rich donors. Plus the mild social democratic policy platform of 2017 - 2019 is pretty outdated now considering the hellhole of the last few years.

The best case scenario imo would be Starmer Labour winning a insanely big majority but having no ability to solve the dog shit economy leading to a labour government going after the unions which would causa crisis/break in the party.