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Smart move.Zorc has now confirmed that Toprak will not join Dortmund this summer.
Smart move.Zorc has now confirmed that Toprak will not join Dortmund this summer.
I don't see what's wrong with enjoying watching a team that plays entertaining football, with some of the best young players around and having a class fanbase and stadium. Hipster? More so that people enjoy football. Get off your high horse.Well Dortmund have been replaced by Athletico Madrid as the "second team". Keep up with the hipsters please!
So we probably will trigger his release clause then for the 2017/2018 season then.Zorc has now confirmed that Toprak will not join Dortmund this summer.
Sarr? The boy has to pray that his body holds up long enough for him to even have a professional career in the first place. Even when fit, he was not even convincing for the reserves. Gorenc-Stankovic on the other hand is a key player for said reserves, but for some reason Tuchel does not seem to rate him that highly or at least not as highly as Fritsch. I don´t see one of them having any meaningful impact for the first team, Fritsch on the other hand has at least without a doubt the potential to do so.i see stankovic ahead of fritsch.
at least, sarr is there ,too.
i see no place for toprak anymore, given the fact that we now got bartra. which i think is an excellent transfer!
Bartra is for me an interesting transfer. If I would base his chances to start and become valuable for us just on the past perfomances for Barca, they would be fairly low. He has clear weaknesses in the tactical department and often times problems with his timing in tacklings. He is also not a very athletic defender and tries to solve most situations with anticipation and positioning. On the other hand he will be our strongest CB with the ball on his feet and in terms of passing, making him probably our best build up player. That means that in terms of profile he fits at least.I think people tend to overrate Bartra since his move became official. Financially there is probably very little risk (you can always sell hum to Stoke with a nice profit), but regarding his performances there is a question mark..
No need to be so bitter. Maybe you support them and it touched a nerve. It's not like I have anything against people supporting any club but it is the truth. Athletico Madrid have now become that cuddly cool team to like and support. It was Dortmund before.I don't see what's wrong with enjoying watching a team that plays entertaining football, with some of the best young players around and having a class fanbase and stadium. Hipster? More so that people enjoy football. Get off your high horse.
Tomorrow's edition of the Kicker says: Dortmund could now sell Mkhitaryan if someone pays at least €40m for him. Contract extension is currently very unlikely.Mkhitaryan's contract situation is interesting. What's the likelihood of him leaving this summer?
That's overpaying for someone that's got a year left. If someone pays that they're desperate for one reason or another.Tomorrow's edition of the Kicker says: Dortmund could now sell Mkhitaryan if someone pays at least €40m for him. Contract extension is currently very unlikely.
You just described us.That's overpaying for someone that's got a year left. If someone pays that they're desperate for one reason or another.
still everyone discusses this.Well, the Rode deal is certainly amongst fans the most controversial in this window so far, but I personally like it. I was a fan of him when he was at Frankfurt and he was my favourite to succeed our former captain Sebastian Kehl, whom he resembles a lot in my book. He is not only underrated in my eyes and got the short end of the stick from Guardiola far too often taking his performances into account, but also as a clear cut box-to-box midfielder a player type we did not have until now. The last part alone will probably make him valuable for us as it gives Tuchel more tactical options and the money well spent on him.
On top of that he comes across as a very likeable person and is known to always work his ass off for the team.
Why is it controversial? Because he's coming from Bayern?Well, the Rode deal is certainly amongst fans the most controversial in this window so far, but I personally like it. I was a fan of him when he was at Frankfurt and he was my favourite to succeed our former captain Sebastian Kehl, whom he resembles a lot in my book. He is not only underrated in my eyes and got the short end of the stick from Guardiola far too often taking his performances into account, but also as a clear cut box-to-box midfielder a player type we did not have until now. The last part alone will probably make him valuable for us as it gives Tuchel more tactical options and the money well spent on him.
On top of that he comes across as a very likeable person and is known to always work his ass off for the team.
no not because of that. ok, maybe a little .Why is it controversial? Because he's coming from Bayern?
Ah, alright, cheers. I'm completly in the dark with how he plays, only remember that he was highly rated before he went to Bayern.no not because of that. ok, maybe a little .
no its cause of his playtime there, his style of play (if we need that or not), and how he fits into our (new) tactic.
but i think he offer something we miss since kehl retired, a box to box player with defense skills but also some danger for the opponent goal. alos: still young, bundelsiga proved.
was a good transfer for bayern years ago, but -like often happens at bayern- they never used him really.
I'm sure it plays a huge part. We signed him on a free two years ago and now sold him for 10-14m Euro (not sure what numbers are correct) to Dortmund after he was a rarely used squad player for us. It makes it look much worse than it is though. I agree with everything @Sphaero said above and I would have loved to see him get a lot more playing time for us. Great attitude and underrated ability on the ball.Why is it controversial? Because he's coming from Bayern?
The most stated number is 14 Mil. € which appearantly causes most of the outrage amongst the internet warriors (although I believe this is more of a front for some hurt pride on their side). First of all even in the less inflated German market that sum is far from being outragous. Thats barely more than what we got from Leverkusen for Kampl, who was an utter failure for us. Secondly Bayern clearly payed over the odds for Hummels. If you take three millions from both transfer fees (reducing Hummels fee down to 35 Mil. €, which is still a lot given the contract situation), then the Rode deal suddenly looks like a very good deal for us.I'm sure it plays a huge part. We signed him on a free two years ago and now sold him for 10-14m Euro (not sure what numbers are correct) to Dortmund after he was a rarely used squad player for us. It makes it look much worse than it is though. I agree with everything @Sphaero said above and I would have loved to see him get a lot more playing time for us. Great attitude and underrated ability on the ball.
Even if he's only Dortmund's first choice back-up in midfield, he's a very good signing and I expect Tuchel to use him often.
Depends on your definition of overpaying, although I agree that it's somewhat expensive, but there is no player with similar stats on the market. 31 games, 11 goals and 20 assists. There are enough teams not to care about 5-10m but surely Juventus ain't one (there were various rumours). Liverpool should move heaven and earth to get him, not sure he'd want to though.That's overpaying for someone that's got a year left. If someone pays that they're desperate for one reason or another.
Ah, alrighty then, thank you.I'm sure it plays a huge part. We signed him on a free two years ago and now sold him for 10-14m Euro (not sure what numbers are correct) to Dortmund after he was a rarely used squad player for us. It makes it look much worse than it is though. I agree with everything @Sphaero said above and I would have loved to see him get a lot more playing time for us. Great attitude and underrated ability on the ball.
Even if he's only Dortmund's first choice back-up in midfield, he's a very good signing and I expect Tuchel to use him often.
It's very simple. Buy him in the next registration window instead and you get a serious discount. Wait a year more and you've got him for free. With that prospect in mind Dortmund don't have a strong bargaining standpoint other than "we want X money or he goes for free".Depends on your definition of overpaying, although I agree that it's somewhat expensive, but there is no player with similar stats on the market. 31 games, 11 goals and 20 assists. There are enough teams not to care about 5-10m but surely Juventus ain't one (there were various rumours). Liverpool should move heaven and earth to get him, not sure he'd want to though.
They have not when you consider it a 1 vs. 1 situation with BVB and another team. But if the teams are in competition then reasons to "overpay" could exist.It's very simple. Buy him in the next registration window instead and you get a serious discount. Wait a year more and you've got him for free. With that prospect in mind Dortmund don't have a strong bargaining standpoint other than "we want X money or he goes for free".
Every single transfer makes sense imo. But as of right now it's a bit like eating around the edges. It's mostly an increase in depth and tactical veriety, but ultimately Bartra and Rode seem a long way off of Hummels and Gündogan in terms of individual quality. So it comes off a bit like the club is forsaking it's competitiveness (compared to Bayern/CL top teams)for the next one or two seasons in order to bet on Dembele, Passlack, Pulisic (Mor) &co to make up for it in a couple of seasons.Dortmund´s transfers look are really interesting. They are getting some promising talents from around the world for reasonable fees.
Hence my comment about him being bought at that price out of desperation. A club with sense would rather compete for him in the January window but this kind of situation can create a monetary expensive example of game theory.They have not when you consider it a 1 vs. 1 situation with BVB and another team. But if the teams are in competition then reasons to "overpay" could exist.
Also clubs could have various reasons to overpay that refer to the fact of timeloss, in the sense of having the player in 6 month instead of tomorrow. E,g, come to the conclusion that they need Mhkitaryan now and not in a year so 40m Euros doesn't look that much anymore, especially considering an otherwise rather dry market situation (concerning attacking mids) that would require "heavy" spending anyway. My point is it's surely worth a shot in the situation Dortmund's in.
Fair enough then. I think we agree in principle albeit I don't share the negative connotation you seem to have towards the club that might get him for €40m.Hence my comment about him being bought at that price out of desperation. A club with sense would rather compete for him in the January window but this kind of situation can create a monetary expensive example of game theory.
What is this list supposed to represent again?imagine:
your club was nearly shut down 10 years ago. and then starting a development like a fairy tale, wining the league twice, the cup, getting into the cl final, now we are clearly a european topclub with the most audience in europe (everytime more than 80000).
in front of us are only
1. Real Madrid
2. FC Buy€rn München
3. Barcelona
4. Atletico Madrid
5. Chelsea
6. Benfica Lissabon
7. Paris SG
8. BVB
that would be frustrating for you?
i dont think so
well played.https://www.redcafe.net/threads/has-muppet-season-officially-started.417801/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/squad-numbers-16-17.417269/
I'm sorry I didn't put as much energy into my threads as the in depth thoughts of "has muppet season officially started" or the illuminating musings of "Miss not seeing the full back numbers as well."
actual uefa clublistWhat is this list supposed to represent again?
Chelsea wont be in that for longactual uefa clublist
Yeah, I know that and as I said I think the deals that are (about to be) done all make a lot of sense to me, but it's a clear strategical statement (commiting to a mid to long term strategy) to me, because for example I'm sure Bartra wouldn't have signed if they were planning on bringing in a big CB signing, which would likely relegate him to a bench spot and Pulisic, Mor, Dembele tells me that you don't get yourself three wonderkids for AM roles and then sign a big name to block their development.They have to make the best out of a difficult situation. They can´t replace the likes of Hummels or Gündogan like-for-like. It is still early in the transfer window, so I expect more to come.
They finished 7th only a season ago?They are so far ahead of the pack that they can give time to youngsters and develop them, while knowing their CL spot isn't under threat