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Anyone should be above Jesse in that scenario.we needed a goal…why would VDB be above Jesse in that scenario? I thought VDB was a CM?
Anyone should be above Jesse in that scenario.we needed a goal…why would VDB be above Jesse in that scenario? I thought VDB was a CM?
a 10 who I’ve never seen play a through ball? Wow I honestly didn’t know that. Yeah Ole couldn’t really afford 40m wasted like that. Odd as we waited a year for Sancho to save less than that apparently. At the end of the day he now must sell players to buy so these decisions hurt him long term. Lesson learnt I’m sure.Him being a CM is pure fantasy. It's people on the cafe hoping he'll turn into a CM to solve our midfield problem.
He's a #10 and always has been. He can't play CM.
Not that I’m trying to toot my own horn or anything, but I think this is still pretty accurate. He just doesn’t fit. He won’t really ever fit. I don’t know why he’s still here.He’s been shite, no denying that, but the player fundamentally is just one who doesn’t fit. He’s playing exactly how he did at Ajax. He was a midfielder who was at his best without the ball, relying on better players (De Jong; Ziyech) to do the creative lifting for him. He’s not one who can pass; can screen a defence; or will tackle and intercept like crazy.
It would be like being angry at Fernandes for not being able to play slow possession play; or that Rashford can’t play as a no.9 target man.
He should be moved on, and fault lay at his desk as his general performances have been underwhelming, but the biggest fault lay with the scouting team and whoever approved this signing.
He isn't that promising. Been crap when given chances. Maybe he'd do better in another system/league but he should be at least putting decent levels of peformances with us.He's probably coming to training surrounded by super models with a Marijuana cigarette on one hand and with a huge kebab on the other hand. Else how on earth he's behind Matic and Lingard in the pecking order?
Seriously the Molde guy is ruining one of the most promising midfielders career
The easiest explanation is not always the correct one.We bought him for 40m or something is not like he came here for free. Something is not right with this one it stinks of Ole not asking for this guy.
What makes you say that? He got next to no game time last season. And the little he got did nothing for him.We are two games in guys... Chill the feck out. The kid will get his time this season. It's not really weird Ole preferred to give Jesse some minutes over him, he was literally the hottest thing in the league last spring.
TBF he was barely ever given a chance. Someone with his talent should have been treated better.He isn't that promising. Been crap when given chances. Maybe he'd do better in another system/league but he should be at least putting decent levels of peformances with us.
What did Martial earn over Greenwood after Greenwood showed a nice CF performance?He’s another one of those players that gets the “well he’s never had chances” treatment.
Manager’s have a far greater opportunity to assess a player’s abilities than fans do. They watch them train every day and watch them in training matches.
If Donny is behind Fred, McTominay and Matic, it’s because he’s not shown as much as them in training.
Donny’s performances in matches will be reinforcing what the coaches already felt about him rather than changing their minds and that’s not how you earn more chances.
You don’t just give any player 10 straight matches “because that’s the only way to assess them”. Players have to earn every minute.
Greenwood started. Martial came in for James who was universally derided in the match day thread.What did Martial earn over Greenwood after Greenwood showed a nice CF performance?
I just don't think its a issue of work ethic. No one has ever suggested that. He is just not a fit to the way this united team play.I really do believe he’ll find a place this season. It was well reported that he was working hard in the off-season to be ready for this one, but he’s not just going to walk straight in. We’re only two games in to the new season, when the fixtures start piling up, then he’ll get a chance. He’s going to have to work his way in to the team though.
So he is another AM, of which we have 4 (Pogba, Bruno, Lingard and Mata)? Of course he won't play much as he will never displace Bruno or Pogba.The thing about Van De Beek is that one of his biggest talents was being a player that could make a run from midfield and score a goal through his intelligent movements.
It's disappointing that we don't get to see it even when we are need of such a goal.
How many chances did he actually get, in a team that wasn't just backups? Answer me that.He isn't that promising. Been crap when given chances. Maybe he'd do better in another system/league but he should be at least putting decent levels of peformances with us.
He’s a CM, I don’t see why he couldn’t directly replace Fred in some games, we we want to play more advanced and forgo the disruption tactic Fred offers. The season is young, he’ll be looking at it in terms of a fresh start. So we’ll see.I just don't think its a issue of work ethic. No one has ever suggested that. He is just not a fit to the way this united team play.
This is why I'm wanting more a ball winning midfielder rather than a deep lying playmaking one right now.He’s a CM, I don’t see why he couldn’t directly replace Fred in some games. The season is young, he’ll be looking at it in terms of a fresh start. So we’ll see.
Can’t see that. Suited Ajax tactics/team, doesn’t suit usHe’s a CM, I don’t see why he couldn’t directly replace Fred in some games, we we want to play more advanced and forgo the disruption tactic Fred offers. The season is young, he’ll be looking at it in terms of a fresh start. So we’ll see.
I wont call him a pure 10 either.. He was playing mostly as an 8 in a double pivot closer to the goal in a 433 formation at Ajax. He wont fit optimaly in a 4231 further away from the goal with more defensive tasks. United need to buy a pure DM so we can change the formation to a 433 if we want VDB to work in our system in a more advanced position.Him being a CM is pure fantasy. It's people on the cafe hoping he'll turn into a CM to solve our midfield problem.
He's a #10 and always has been. He can't play CM.
I don't see him as a classic CM. He is more of a ball recycler, we simply do not play that way. Maybe in a LVG system he could have been a fit, but right now he sticks out like a sore thumb.He’s a CM, I don’t see why he couldn’t directly replace Fred in some games, we we want to play more advanced and forgo the disruption tactic Fred offers. The season is young, he’ll be looking at it in terms of a fresh start. So we’ll see.
I had the same thought and issue so went to go watch a few youtube videos of his time at Ajax and he seems to have played or at least be most effective as a #10 which is crazy considering we just signed Bruno who barring a serious injury was never getting dropped in that position plus we also had Mata for backup if needed.I don’t even know what type of player he is. I actually know less about him as a player than before he joined.
Should have done our homework before splashing a shit ton of money on him then.He’s another one of those players that gets the “well he’s never had chances” treatment.
Manager’s have a far greater opportunity to assess a player’s abilities than fans do. They watch them train every day and watch them in training matches.
If Donny is behind Fred, McTominay and Matic, it’s because he’s not shown as much as them in training.
Donny’s performances in matches will be reinforcing what the coaches already felt about him rather than changing their minds and that’s not how you earn more chances.
You don’t just give any player 10 straight matches “because that’s the only way to assess them”. Players have to earn every minute.
This all works in theory. Until you have players that have routinely played crap for us and been given game after game to prove themselves. Versus a player that's shown bits and pieces when given the opportunity. And even better when given full matches surrounded by good players, not reserves. As for the coaches. I get what you're saying. But anyone could see last season how many similar goals we were conceding from corners and free kicks. Yet the coaches did nothing about it. Coaches have their own failings just as we do as fans. Sure, they're closer to the players than us, but it doesn't make them infallible. Donnie deserves a proper run before we decide he's surplus to needs. Or to put it another way, he deserves the same chance everyone else has been given. Donnie proved himself in the Champions League at Ajax. What has Pereira ever done? Yet he gets game time in front of Donnie. Lingard played well for a few months against West Ham but has done nothing in a Utd shirt for years. He's also a player that plays better with space in front of him to run into. Yet he gets the chances. Rinse and repeat. Donnie has actually helped goals in a low block via his runs and dummies. He deserves a chance. He's not getting one. Simple.Should have done our homework before splashing a shit ton of money on him then.
Fully agree with you but let’s not pretend that the odd poor purchase is a phenomenon unique to this current incarnation of Manchester United.Should have done our homework before splashing a shit ton of money on him then.
Those players actually fail on the pitch though rather than just never get to play apart from 10 minutes at the end of games. DVB has not been given a fair chance to succeed or fail which is why it's such a weird transferFully agree with you but let’s not pretend that the odd poor purchase is a phenomenon unique to this current incarnation of Manchester United.
Plenty of clubs buy players that for whatever reason never work out and they never fit in.
Do Chelsea and Man City has higher net spend in transfer than Man Utd this summer or even the last 5 years and 10 years? I am confused. Why people on this forum always believe Man Utd can't compete with City let alone Chelsea on transfer spending? I for one won't say Arsenal didn't spend money to improve the squad this summer.Could have used that money on renewing Pogba. Bad business.
Every player we buy that is not miles better than what our academy has to offer is a bad investment. Developing youth and buying big/quality players is the only way we can compete with extreme spending like City and Chelsea.
Jesse is in much better goal scoring form than DVB, he scored even in the behind closed door game mid-week.Anyone should be above Jesse in that scenario.