A storyline, eh. Seemed like the same old shite, albeit on a bigger scale. This is the guy to dethrone Mayweather because he has an approach that he won't be able to handle. Years earlier and I might have bought into it.
Mayweather v Pacquiao (2 May 2015) | NO requesting streams/rivers etc in this thread
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Reports that Manny was fighting with an injured shoulder that he picked up in training camp a few weeks ago. Might need surgery.
Anyway, if people want to watch an entertaining fight, watch Canelo-Kirkland next Saturday.
Anyway, if people want to watch an entertaining fight, watch Canelo-Kirkland next Saturday.
Its kind of funny that Mayweather is so consistently respected by athletes outside his sport. His best attributes like concentration, footwork, patience translate to other sports and they admire how hard it is to do it so consistently well and be undefeated.
Mayweather is an asshole but his strength is that he can check his whole ego and the TMT persona outside when he enters the ring and stays in his lane throughout the match.
It was funny hearing his dad screaming at him to throw more punches and he was just sitting there chilling by his lone self.
I wasn't saying you said it, I was on about the other posters we may have been (ever so slightly) smug towards.
Yeah, it sort of is genius in that hardly anybody can fight like that so well. His technique and intelligence is insane. Manny wasn't able to hit him, wasn't able to stop getting hit and wasn't able to force him to change up what he was doing. Bit like saying tikki taka is just a load of easy short passes, it underplays the difficulty of actually executing things like that. He's ruthlessly efficient. Not that Manny really did enough to test him that much either, mind.
You're right though, this fight was always going to be more about the occasion than the actual fight. I certainly wasn't going to pay for it.
Yeah, Mayweather won't ever be goaded into taking risks in the ring. He is always ice cold in there, it is one of his greatest strengths.Its kind of funny that Mayweather is so consistently respected by athletes outside his sport. His best attributes like concentration, footwork, patience translate to other sports and they admire how hard it is to do it so consistently well and be undefeated.
Mayweather is an asshole but his strength is that he can check his whole ego and the TMT persona outside when he enters the ring and stays in his lane throughout the match.
It was funny hearing his dad screaming at him to throw more punches and he was just sitting there chilling by his lone self.
You need to work the jab to beat Mayweather. Pacquiao isn't that boxer anyway and with his reach disadvantage he had no chance of doing that whatsoever. I should have listened to logic before the fight but I got carried away with what I wanted to happen and tried to convince myself of ways that Pacquiao could win.
It was a good lesson in objectivity for me.
The best moment of the whole event for me was when the camera panned on the Mayweather family and smug little thugs wearing bling started making gangster gestures. It was surreal. My buddy and I had a good chuckle.
Floyd is a brilliant boxer. For all the bullshit off the ring once the fight starts he's all discipline and precision. He keeps emotions out of it, sticks to the tactics and executes them perfectly.
Yes, the fight was dull, but it was up to Manny to challenge Mayweather and break him down. Floyd is a better fighter than Pacman in every aspect, except maybe punching power. Pacquiao's only shot was getting close enough to do some damage, but Mayweather is too good to give him that opportunity and his counter is very dangerous, too.
A lot of people wanted Manny to win because they liked his humility which is opposite of everything Floyd stands for, but as far as boxing goes, Mayweather is different class.
Yes, the fight was dull, but it was up to Manny to challenge Mayweather and break him down. Floyd is a better fighter than Pacman in every aspect, except maybe punching power. Pacquiao's only shot was getting close enough to do some damage, but Mayweather is too good to give him that opportunity and his counter is very dangerous, too.
A lot of people wanted Manny to win because they liked his humility which is opposite of everything Floyd stands for, but as far as boxing goes, Mayweather is different class.
Actually the possession football comparison is pretty apt. Takes a lot of technique and intelligence, can be compelling if you're of a certain mind but a load of people think it's as boring as feck. That was the boxing equivalent of one of those sterile Spanish wins where they're way better than the opposition in nearly every facet of the game and get an unbelievably comfortable 1-0 win.
Very few people found Spain's succession of 1-0 wins in the World Cup to be particularly enjoyable or praise-worthy performances, though. They were forced to play that way because of how the opposition set up against them and they grinded out wins. They got a lot more praise for the two Euro wins either side of it because they played a lot more attractive football.
Mayweather does the same thing no matter who he plays against, seemingly.
What is the "anti-football", park the bus equivalent in boxing then? An unskilled slogger throwing hopeful haymakers? It can't be, that's too entertaining!
Mayweather is Chelsea, he just shuts his opponent down, ignores those who call him boring and wins while others moan about his style not being attractive enough.
I hope you all took my advice and are counting your winnings.
Such a disappointment. The first time I've actually waited in anticipation for a boxing match and then seen it too.
For all of Mayweather's obvious techincal superiority, I wanted to be entertained and wasn't. Manny wanted to fight, Mayweather just kept staying out of range and as soon as he came within it, simply went ahead and grabbed him. Why the feck is that not a point deduction when its clear why he's doing it?
For all of Mayweather's obvious techincal superiority, I wanted to be entertained and wasn't. Manny wanted to fight, Mayweather just kept staying out of range and as soon as he came within it, simply went ahead and grabbed him. Why the feck is that not a point deduction when its clear why he's doing it?
Spain were still recognized as an excellent team though, weren't they? I don't remember anyone underplaying the actual difficulty of what they were doing or the scale of their achievement, even if they didn't really enjoy it.
Anyway, I can only stretch this comparison so far, they're very different sports. Expecting Mayweather to change his style is more like expecting Spain to change their possession philosophy, it's too much a part of their DNA to change so easily even if tactics for individual opponents do. It's just the way they go about things.
Yeah, thought the ref could have been a bit firmer on that.
That's why no one's interested in boxing any more.
I guess it would be someone huddled in the corner with their hands over their head for the entire 12 rounds, doesn't really translate across.
Difference between Floyd and Chelsea is that he controlled the fight, threw more punches, landed more punches and was more accurate. If Chelsea spent a game parking the bus while simultaneously controlling the game, creating more chances and scoring more goals then people probably wouldn't complain about them quite so much.
These same type of things are said after every Mayweather fight. What do people expect? It is like going to a Richard Linklater film and complaining about a lack of a plot. This is how Mayweather fights.He is defensive technician and a great counter puncher so this is the style he will use.
People will still complain about something! When United and Fergie was in his pomp, winning it all there were those accusing him of having the refs in his pocket. Moaning bitches will always find something to moan and bitch about.I guess it would be someone huddled in the corner with their hands over their head for the entire 12 rounds, doesn't really translate across.
Difference between Floyd and Chelsea is that he controlled the fight, threw more punches, landed more punches and was more accurate. If Chelsea spent a game parking the bus while simultaneously controlling the game, creating more chances and scoring more goals then people probably wouldn't complain about them quite so much.
Manny Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum claimed immediately after the defeat to Floyd Mayweather that the Nevada State Athletic Commission had refused to allow the Filipino to have an injection into his shoulder which left him one-handed for the entire 12 rounds.
Arum told the Telegraph that the Commission had cleared his boxer to have a painkilling injection for the damaged shoulder - the same injury which Kobe Bryant suffered from - with Arum clearly deeply unhappy about this decision ahead of boxing's richest ever fight.
"It's going to take a long time to potentially have a rematch because Manny has a shoulder injury and we are particularly disappointed that the Commission refused to allow what had been agreed. I think Manny is going to need an operation."
Pacquiao admitted in his post-fight press conference that he did have an injured shoulder - a tear - during camp, and there was one point at which they might have thought about pulling out.
The shoulder then got better, explained the Filipino fighter.
Roach said:"The shoulder was bad and we thought about pulling out but then it got better." They reckon it was first injured three weeks ago.
Arum added: "The doctor who looked at it thought it was an old injury."
Pacquiao said: "By the third round I could feel the pain in my bad shoulder."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...loyd-Mayweather-fight-complains-Bob-Arum.html
Arum told the Telegraph that the Commission had cleared his boxer to have a painkilling injection for the damaged shoulder - the same injury which Kobe Bryant suffered from - with Arum clearly deeply unhappy about this decision ahead of boxing's richest ever fight.
"It's going to take a long time to potentially have a rematch because Manny has a shoulder injury and we are particularly disappointed that the Commission refused to allow what had been agreed. I think Manny is going to need an operation."
Pacquiao admitted in his post-fight press conference that he did have an injured shoulder - a tear - during camp, and there was one point at which they might have thought about pulling out.
The shoulder then got better, explained the Filipino fighter.
Roach said:"The shoulder was bad and we thought about pulling out but then it got better." They reckon it was first injured three weeks ago.
Arum added: "The doctor who looked at it thought it was an old injury."
Pacquiao said: "By the third round I could feel the pain in my bad shoulder."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...loyd-Mayweather-fight-complains-Bob-Arum.html
Nah. It used to be decided by such unsavory types as the Mafia, Nation of Islam, the Third Reich and worst of all Don King.
Never lived up to the hype. Thought both boxers held back. Mayweather did show though why technically he stands head and shoulders above any boxer out there past and present.
2 women dancing around avoiding to get hurt.
Today's fight was nothing other than money, no fighting, just money. The marketing/promoters guys deserve a lot more credit and money than fighters for fooling the public into believing this was fight of the century.
Today's fight was nothing other than money, no fighting, just money. The marketing/promoters guys deserve a lot more credit and money than fighters for fooling the public into believing this was fight of the century.
Piaquiao did try and fight. Mayweather was evasive right from the 1st round and with him landing the counter punches the way he was, Piaquiao couldnt really go all out. I'm amazed he thought he was winning, could explain not going mental in the final few rounds atleast.
I actually found myself checking out some nice looking blonde sitting ringside for large periods of the fight, that was the highlight for me.
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This fight has made me realise just how hard it will be for my boy Nole unseat Rafa at Rolland Garros.
It's funny you should say that. I thought to myself during the fight, if this was Football it would be Mourinho vs Wenger.
Looking like it will be one more fight before he retires. Khan as once again thrown his hat into the ring. Love to see this happen, but it probably won't. A Khan /Pacquiao fight seems more likely.
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This comes across as racist and im not even joking
Yeah seemed Floyd outsmarted them whatever their plan was as it pretty much looked like they didn't have once except a couple of rounds. Seemed pretty odd really, they'll know his knock out record has slipped drastically in recent years and realistically he wasnt going to knock Mayweather out, I'd guess you were right and the plan went out the window after 2-3 rounds (hence winning Round 4) and then Mayweather adapted again and made it very hard.
I think weight played a factor. The fights vs Maidana he had him struggling (althoug not in trouble) on the ropes, when Manny tried doing it Mayweather was bigger and too strong and comfortably rolled out the way, it really must of messed up the game plan.
I think the first sentence is a bit unfair really, through the early pages of this thread and over the last week plenty of people have had answered questions about stuff like fight start times, why they haven't fought each other etc and put links up to videos of them both which people could watch. IT may be different after a fight but then it can be frustrating to ready stuff like "Mayweather ran" or how Pacquiao was unlucky, the reality is the better fighter won. There's absolutely nothing wrong with only watching and enjoying big fights, the atmosphere and the build up can make a fight but then it can be frustrating for people who will watch more boxing to be dismissed as being clueless for example because they thought the less popular fighter rightfully won and it wasn't the worst fight ever. I'd take that fight over any Anthony Joshua fight for example, not saying I dislike Joshua but early knock outs don't really interest me greatly. You say yourself you can appreciated Mayweather dominated but it seems some people will refuse to believe that purely based on who he is, not just on this forum either which kind of makes a discussion with them about the fight pointless.
There's nothing wrong with being disappointed with that fight, plenty of people will be. If people have suggested that is "Casual" fans then maybe it's because it's how Mayweather has fought for years and it's not really a shock that he did it again. Of course it can be dull to watch but it takes 2 to tango. Manny and Freddie Roach should of known he fought like that and it seems they didn't. I'm personally more disappointed in Manny than Mayweather for fighting how he did.
Pacquiao has got older but so has Mayweather at the same time. They've both struggled in recent fights, Mayweather didn't look great in Mayweather vs Maidana I and Pacquiao got knocked out by Marquez...both of them have looked older in recent fights. It still should of been closer than it was last night really and Mayweather boxed perfectly to get the win. Is it Mayweather at his best ever?? Definitely not, he didn't need to be though and Manny never threatened him enough to make him get to those levels. To me it just seems unfair people seem to want to blame Mayweather, he won the fight. People should uestion the loser.
I think when people look back at Mayweather's career, especially if he finishes undefeated they will acknowledge the style but he'll point to the fact he fought everyone of any quality in the division and won and that's what matters to him. He isn't the best ever but he is up there with the best of his generation, I struggle to think of anyone who would come close really. Mourinho is a defensive coach butr when discussing the best ever in 20 years time I bet he gets mentioned.
EDIT: Forgot to mention I find the post match stuff form Manny a bit embarrassing, again if it was Mayweather he'd be slated for finding excuses like a shoulder injury. Getting outboxed that comfortably should be gracious in defeat really.
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I don't necessarily agree with that. For me it showed why nobody can argue that boxing is not a sport and not just two people trying to hurt each other. Mayweather is an absolute nob but an absolute genius. He's a master tactician and used his head for 12 rounds, his defence was almost immaculate and he out pointed Pacquiao exactly as he will have set out to. His approach for the first two rounds killed him off, he needed to be going into the back 6 on the front foot but Mayweater struck early and made it an impossible task coming back from behind.
It's like any sport, it's easy to bitch and moan if it doesn't have Hollywood highlights but you ask any sportsman if he'd like to become the best in the world through pragmatism or be remembered as an incredibly exciting fighter and only the crazy ones will choose the latter. Anyone that thought this was going to live up to the billing was deluded. If you want to see a great fight pick two fighters with flaws to be exposed.
I read someone very eloquently describe Mayweather to be like Chelsea. Efficient. Doing a job.
I personally think the greatest sportsmen will be remembered for being both entertainers and winners. Titles and medals are mere statistics.
Here come the excuses, then he'll be wanting a rematch. Boxing is not the same sport it once was.
I'm no fan of Mayweather but surely folk can see he's a very skilled boxer? The thing is, ironically he's not a fighter I'd pay to watch, but I couldn't help but admire the way he made Pacquiao look completely toothless. That said if I had my way Manny would've KO 'd him in a slugfest... obviously that was never going to happen, so it was more hope than anything. I think Mayweather is a lot better than the 'park the bus' analogy but I can see why he'll always split opinion.
@Brwned Out of interest what Ail vs Frazier match are you talking about ? I'm guessing the second one, which is quite similar.
Steffi Graf?
The women that do be standing in the background with big smiles permanently plastered on their face, at like, press conferences and stuff, they're pretty creepy. F1 has them as well.
Um, also, a boxing opinion?
Um, also, a boxing opinion?
I think the park the bus is just wrong
I think peps barca is a more apt analogy.. You can't beat them if you cant get the ball off them and when you do they pressure you into giving it away almost instantly.
Similarly mayweather controls the distance and if you cant hit him you cant beat him... If you do manage to get inside he immediately ties you up in a clinch
It can be boring to watch both but you do have to admire the technical brilliance
Why are they thugs? And what gangster gestures?
Finally home. I scored the fight 9/3 or perhaps 10/2 in Mayweathers favour, although I can kinda understand the 8/4 decision two of the judges gave.
Pretty glad I managed to catch the fight. I was rooting for Manny, but that performance from FMJ was just out of this world. Defensively, just a treat for the eyes. Comparisons to Mourinho are just ridiculous... We're not talking about a £500m team playing overly defensive against a £50m team. We're talking about one on one, same weight class... Why should he go all out against the more powerful puncher?
I don't know... Maybe it's more of a bout for the boxing fan, rather than the intrigued casual, but I found Mayweathers performance to be amazing.
Pretty glad I managed to catch the fight. I was rooting for Manny, but that performance from FMJ was just out of this world. Defensively, just a treat for the eyes. Comparisons to Mourinho are just ridiculous... We're not talking about a £500m team playing overly defensive against a £50m team. We're talking about one on one, same weight class... Why should he go all out against the more powerful puncher?
I don't know... Maybe it's more of a bout for the boxing fan, rather than the intrigued casual, but I found Mayweathers performance to be amazing.
Mayweather to outbox Kahn in September then line up another big payday to go 50-0 against manny and retire